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Illegal immigration view from the "sender" countries
Posted on 3/5/21 at 8:07 am
Posted on 3/5/21 at 8:07 am
The govts of these countries want it as much as the individuals themselves. The top income producer to GDP for these countries are remissions from illegals back home. And this does not include non monetary gifting, or billions in illegal drug trade.
And consider it does not cost them a dime. Imagine each year the US had a couple of trillion dollars dropped in their lap. No schools had to be built, no roads, no hospitals, no increase in civil servants, police, emergency care, no additional pollution, nothing.
They actually save costs with reduction of all the aforementioned in their country, and the bad seeds are left for the US to deal with.
Think they dont realize this? Mexico has 50, count them 50, consulates in the US, more than any country has in any host country worldwide. Places like Boston, Anchorage, and Indianapolis. I once saw an article where the state dept of Mexico justified this by saying "if we keep the links with home.....the money continues to flow".
And consider it does not cost them a dime. Imagine each year the US had a couple of trillion dollars dropped in their lap. No schools had to be built, no roads, no hospitals, no increase in civil servants, police, emergency care, no additional pollution, nothing.
They actually save costs with reduction of all the aforementioned in their country, and the bad seeds are left for the US to deal with.
Think they dont realize this? Mexico has 50, count them 50, consulates in the US, more than any country has in any host country worldwide. Places like Boston, Anchorage, and Indianapolis. I once saw an article where the state dept of Mexico justified this by saying "if we keep the links with home.....the money continues to flow".
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Posted on 3/5/21 at 8:11 am to trinidadtiger
The dems love to tax everything. I wonder why they don't tax those remissions too.
This post was edited on 3/5/21 at 8:24 am
Posted on 3/5/21 at 8:13 am to trinidadtiger
Mexico and Central America continue to use immigration as a safety valve for their own countries. They can just keep shipping the poor and dispossessed to El Norte and they don't have to engage in any true social reform
Posted on 3/5/21 at 8:18 am to trinidadtiger
There were 37B in remittances sent to MX last year. In 2015, it was 25B. No one really knows how lucrative the drug trade is. The DEA guesses its north of 30B. In 2012, ICE seized over 400M in cash before it made it into MX... certainly only a fraction of what was actually sent south that year.
The hole in the boat is getting bigger and bigger. How long before it sinks?
The hole in the boat is getting bigger and bigger. How long before it sinks?
Posted on 3/5/21 at 8:19 am to Auburn1968
Trump wanted to tax these remittances, as well as overseas tax shelters. Dems predictably railed against it based on the "OMB" argument.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 8:22 am to trinidadtiger
You know who wants it more than anyone, even more than the democrats? Big business republicans. They see massive dollar signs every time a group of illegals -who will take even less money to do a job than already existing illegals - cross the border.
The Koch brothers are a great example. They love the idea of open borders:
Time: Koch Network Mounts Grassroots Effort to Support Immigration
The Koch brothers are a great example. They love the idea of open borders:
quote:
LIBRE and other parts of the Koch machine — including the powerful grassroots-focused Americans for Prosperity — have made clear they want a path for immigrants in the country illegally to earn citizenship, for children brought to the country illegally to be protected, for families who are stopped at the border to stay together.
Time: Koch Network Mounts Grassroots Effort to Support Immigration
This post was edited on 3/5/21 at 8:30 am
Posted on 3/5/21 at 8:25 am to 14&Counting
quote:I don't blame those countries one bit.
Mexico and Central America continue to use immigration as a safety valve for their own countries. They can just keep shipping the poor and dispossessed
Why don't we do the same thing? Because other countries won't take our poor or criminals. The US government and our businesses incentivize illegal immigration. So the people continue to come.
That's our fault.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 8:27 am to Pecker
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You know who wants it more than anyone, even more than the democrats? Big business republicans. They see massive dollar signs every time a group of illegals -who will take even less money to do a job than already existing illegals - cross the border.
And that's why many Latin Americans who are established here oppose open borders.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 8:30 am to Vacherie Saint
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There were 37B in remittances sent to MX last year. In 2015, it was 25B. No one really knows how lucrative the drug trade is. The DEA guesses its north of 30B. In 2012, ICE seized over 400M in cash before it made it into MX... certainly only a fraction of what was actually sent south that year.
The hole in the boat is getting bigger and bigger. How long before it sinks?
Amado Fuentes aka "Lord of the skies", at his peak was estimated to be paying off mexican "officials" 800 million US dollars annually, I can only imagine how much he was making. He once told the president of Mexico to back off or he would move his business to Columbia and his business was bigger than the petroleum industry in Mexico....with no costs entailed.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 8:31 am to Auburn1968
quote:Some. Many are beginning to understand the economic costs. There are still tribal/cultural aspects that complicate matters.
And that's why many Latin Americans who are established here oppose open borders.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 8:32 am to trinidadtiger
Trump warmed us, “they aren’t sending their best”
Posted on 3/5/21 at 8:38 am to Pecker
Big US based MNC’s don’t pay cash wages under the table to illegals dude. Roofing contractors in your hometown do.
Stop believing in the republican capitalist boogeyman and look around. The titans of US business are all soy soaked libs now.
Stop believing in the republican capitalist boogeyman and look around. The titans of US business are all soy soaked libs now.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 8:43 am to trinidadtiger
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Mexico has 50, count them 50, consulates in the US, more than any country has in any host country worldwide.
And they issue drivers licenses and any other documents, with US addresses, to any Mexican national who asks for them. That makes them representatives of the consulates.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 9:04 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:You're incredibly misinformed.
Big US based MNC’s don’t pay cash wages under the table to illegals dude. Roofing contractors in your hometown do.
Stop believing in the republican capitalist boogeyman and look around. The titans of US business are all soy soaked libs now.
Industrial farming
Industrial agriculture
Manufacturing
Hospitality industry
Restaurant industry
Here's a good place to start. There's quite a bit of scholarly work on this too if you're interested.
These U.S. industries can't work without illegal immigrants
Immigrant Farmworkers and America's Food Production
This post was edited on 3/5/21 at 9:06 am
Posted on 3/5/21 at 9:09 am to trinidadtiger
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The govts of these countries want it as much as the individuals themselves. The top income producer to GDP for these countries are remissions from illegals back home.
Soviet style world socialism is not the only way to redistribute the world's wealth. Wealth redistribution is probably the biggest issue of illegal immigration that is not talked about enough IMO.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 9:12 am to trinidadtiger
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"sender"
Posted on 3/5/21 at 9:21 am to Pecker
You are conflating local maids and orange pickers with an entire industry, as if its run by some republican fat cat somewhere. LOL. A large hotel chain like Hilton, or a farming corporation like US Sugars, use temporary visa programs for their workers. Only middle eastern motel owners and small time dirt farms pay cash to illegals.
Either way, I said MNC's. And I happen to know a little about agriculture and manufacturing. Some farmer who shuns the H2A program (barely any left, BTW) is NOT reflective of US agriculture as a whole. And there simply are no major US manufacturers actively seeking and employing illegals under table. This is a myth.
As for the links you posted... dems have been trying to convince us for years that we cant eat without illegals. Congrats. You fell for it.
Either way, I said MNC's. And I happen to know a little about agriculture and manufacturing. Some farmer who shuns the H2A program (barely any left, BTW) is NOT reflective of US agriculture as a whole. And there simply are no major US manufacturers actively seeking and employing illegals under table. This is a myth.
As for the links you posted... dems have been trying to convince us for years that we cant eat without illegals. Congrats. You fell for it.
This post was edited on 3/5/21 at 9:23 am
Posted on 3/5/21 at 9:24 am to trinidadtiger
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The govts of these countries want it as much as the individuals themselves. The top income producer to GDP for these countries are remissions from illegals back home. And this does not include non monetary gifting, or billions in illegal drug trade.
Yep.
Tax wire transfers at 10% to any country south of Texas.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 9:25 am to the808bass
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Tax wire transfers at 10% to any country anywhere unless its being wired to a US national abroad.
FIFY
This post was edited on 3/5/21 at 9:26 am
Posted on 3/5/21 at 9:26 am to trinidadtiger
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Cartels use illegals to wire transfer their drug money back in small amounts at a time.
They all have hidden banking, you can't tax anything, you can't find it.
It is stealing, get welfare or get hidden pay, then send it out of the USA, weakening the USA financially. Even with legal pay, maybe no taxes paid on it, and then much of it secretly sent overseas or over the border.
This is how the Indians and the Pakistanis and many others do it. Their person in the USA goes to the backroom of a store or even house in their neighborhood they control, and they hand over the money to send away. Back in their home country, they answer the phone and get the details and take their cut, and then someone from the family of the guy in the USA arrives and collects it.
Taxpayers pay the migrants' basic bills what with Section 8 housing and Food Stamps and emergency room medical bills and education taxes. American taxpayers pay for the roads uninsured migrants illegally drive drunk on. We pay the cash wages of these illegal aliens and we certainly pay for work-related injuries and the cost of any incarceration.
In lieu of paying taxes here, the migrants then send their money home to feed foreign families. If white male Americans suddenly stopped paying their taxes and spent it all on their families, if the Democrats were forced to spend a single day without all the working American taxpayers' money to spend, then those people would do something about the crisis.
https://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/banking/undocumented-immigrants-bank-accounts/
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