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re: If we are being honest, overruling RvW will just lead to more single-parent households
Posted on 5/3/22 at 10:12 am to stout
Posted on 5/3/22 at 10:12 am to stout
that assumes most of these abortions aren't necessarily to people that didn't already have kids or eventually have a kid. I'm not sure that's true.
At some point, people should be accountable. Maybe people would quit making babies if they were financially responsible for them. Lifetime garnishment.
At some point, people should be accountable. Maybe people would quit making babies if they were financially responsible for them. Lifetime garnishment.
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Posted on 5/3/22 at 10:12 am to Nurbis
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I have always felt like there are two sides, the moral argument that obviously killing unborn babies is evil. Then the logical unemotional side that unwanted children will be a burden to society, therefore, abortion does have benefits.
Even considering both sides, how could you ever make an argument that would outweigh the wrong of killing an innocent child simply for being unwanted. It isn't like there are not several other options to prevent pregnancy.
This is 100% my thought process as well. I didn't convey it as well as you did here.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 10:13 am to stout
quote:Probably right. What's insane is the availability of birth control is literally free and easy to access.
If we are being honest, overruling RvW will just lead to more single-parent households
Posted on 5/3/22 at 10:13 am to stout
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And more kids that are wards of the state
Well, the answer isn't killing babies that's first and foremost that we agree on.
Legislation should be enacted that giving up your baby puts you personally on the hook for expenses.
For ex. My grandmother never wanted for anything but she was fairly poor in terms of investments. My parents on the other hand were well off. My dad checked into assistance for her and before a single dollar is spent on your care (once you become a ward of the state), each and every asset you own must be sold and the proceeds given to the state.
The same should be for women who give up their child which makes them a ward of the state.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 10:13 am to stout
We can get draconian. You can have an abortion, but we will also remove your reproductive organs in the process. Sign here.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 10:14 am to stout
Women have access to over a dozen forms of personal contraception, morning after, and god forbid only allowing condom dick in you. Several of those options free or damn near
Imagine having such little regard for “My Body!!” and being so morally vacant that you instead opt for the procedure so barbaric that normal people are unable to describe it publicly without recoiling
Imagine having such little regard for “My Body!!” and being so morally vacant that you instead opt for the procedure so barbaric that normal people are unable to describe it publicly without recoiling
Posted on 5/3/22 at 10:14 am to Kafka
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in the Soviet Union, the average woman had 9 abortions
Exactly, it's used to avoid going through pregnancy. Another thread lists the 'birth control' motive for abortion.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 10:15 am to Nurbis
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Then the logical unemotional side that unwanted children will be a burden to society, therefore, abortion does have benefits.
I've heard this argument...
How can ANY ONE predict who will be a "burden to society"? Isn't this view the unmitigated hubris of a Godless society?
It's a "burden" only to a perpetual welfare state, those who eschew simple birth control (to begin with), and those who support the ethics of The Georgia Guidestones.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 10:15 am to stout
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If we are being honest, overruling RvW will just lead to more single-parent households
Tell me you don't know what the hell you're talking about without telling me you don't know what the hell you're talking about!
Can't they just go to a state that allows for abortion and have an abortion? Maybe they can't afford the fuel cost for the trip?
This post was edited on 5/3/22 at 10:17 am
Posted on 5/3/22 at 10:15 am to idlewatcher
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Legislation should be enacted that giving up your baby puts you personally on the hook for expenses.
Well you cant get blood out of a turnip as the saying goes.
There are already thousands of deadbeat dads that owe thousands each in back child support. All your suggestion would do is create more government jobs to try and chase money from scum.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 10:16 am to stout
You say this
but you also ask this
I detect a conflict with in you.
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I am 100% against abortion
but you also ask this
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And more kids that are wards of the state
I detect a conflict with in you.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 10:16 am to stout
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There are already thousands of deadbeat dads that owe thousands each in back child support
Posted on 5/3/22 at 10:18 am to stout
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Neither will this
yes it will. if people had to deal with the actual consequences of their decisions, they would change their behavior. the black and white rates of single parenthood have gone up coinciding with the amount of government assistance received, and were roughly equal before the great society passed.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 10:18 am to 3nOut
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the main problem that in a leftist's mind the idea of celibacy/abstinence is completely impossible and unobtainable.
the main problem with the religious right is they refuse to acknowledge that celibacy and abstinence is unrealistic for human beings
Posted on 5/3/22 at 10:20 am to stout
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Why do so many of you resort to hyperbole instead of making a valid point?
It's most likely the OT crowd on here today.
They're all hopped up on the KoolAid and Biden BBB Crack this morning.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 10:20 am to stout
If the fathers were held financially responsible for child support it might help. Not sure how it could be enforced though.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 10:20 am to stout
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Cool. It still has nothing to do with abortion and your use of it as a counterpoint makes very little sense
Then what is your point? Abortion being illegal creates more single parent households, and that’s it? Just an observation?
Ok. That is correct. So does just about everything else in our society. I fail to see why it’s even a point worth making.
This post was edited on 5/3/22 at 10:21 am
Posted on 5/3/22 at 10:21 am to stout
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And more kids that are wards of the state. Particularly amongst one demographic. I am 100% against abortion but I have to wonder how different society would currently be had RvW never prevailed.
Ending government endorsement of irresponsibility is the first step in making people take responsibility. You can't get a more responsible society unless you do things like this.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 10:22 am to j1897
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Don't abort your babies, just let em starve.
How can you be so naïve?
there was a time not so long ago when people didn't receive welfare and abortion wasn't legal. and the out of wedlock birthrate at that time was extremely low, and the marriage rate high. interesting how when you remove certain incentives, people change their behavior.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 10:23 am to stout
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If we are being honest, overruling RvW will just lead to more single-parent households
I don't think that's a stretch of imagination at all.
I also think we're likely to see abortion clinics open near state borders in states where abortion is allowed but border states where it is not (like bars and liquor stores just outside dry parishes/counties).
I also think we're likely to see an increase in welfare spending as these extra households hit the social safety nets. Spending increases will fund such behavior in the most Idiocracy way possible and that's the problem. The current welfare system rewards making such a bad life decision and penalizes anyone trying to get out of the system.
In the long-term, this may well end up being the thing that either fixes the welfare system or breaks our country (because Congress isn't going to cut funding nor revise programs to incentivize getting off of them).
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