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If These Census Estimates Are Correct, It Appears People Are Getting Out Of Some Cities
Posted on 6/6/23 at 9:35 am
Posted on 6/6/23 at 9:35 am
New York City
2022
8,335,897
2020
8,804,190
* first decline since 1980
Los Angeles
2022
3,822,238
2020
3,898,747
* first decline in city history
Chicago
2022
2,665,039
2020
2,746,388
* lowest population since 1910
Houston
2022
2,302,878
2020
2,304,580
* first decline in city history
Philadelphia
2022
1,567,258
2020
1,603,797
San Diego
2022
1,381,162
2020
1,386,932
* first decline in city history
Dallas
2022
1,299,544
2020
1,304,379
* first decline in city history
San Jose
2022
971,233
2020
1,013,240
* first decline in city history
San Francisco
2022
808,437
2020
873,965
* first decline since 1980
Denver
2022
713,252
2020
715,522
* first decline since 1990
Nashville
2022
683,622
2020
689,447
* first decline in city history
Washington DC
2022
671,803
2020
689,545
Boston
2022
650,706
2020
675,647
* first decline since 1980
Portland
2022
635,067
2020
652,503
* first decline since 1980
Louisville
2022
624,444
2020
633,045
* first decline since 1980
Memphis
2022
621,056
2020
633,104
Detroit
2022
620,376
2020
639,111
* lowest population since 1910; 60+ years of decline; last Republican mayor 65 years ago
Baltimore
2022
569,931
2020
585,708
* lowest population since 1910; 60+ years of decline; last Republican mayor 60 years ago
Milwaukee
2022
563,305
2020
577,222
* lowest population since 1920
Oakland
2022
430,553
2020
440,646
Minneapolis
2022
425,096
2020
429,954
* first decline since 1990
New Orleans
2022
369,749
2020
383,997
Cleveland
2022
361,607
2020
372,624
* lowest population since 1890; 60+ years of decline
St. Louis
2022
286,578
2020
301,578
* lowest population since 1860; 60+ years of decline; last Republican mayor 74 years ago
Baton Rouge
2022
221,453
2020
227,470
* lowest population since 1980
Birmingham
2022
196,910
2020
200,733
* lowest population since 1920; 50+ years of decline; last Republican mayor 55 years ago
Shreveport
2022
180,153
2020
187,593
* lowest population since 1960
Jackson
2022
145,995
2020
153,701
* lowest population since 1960; 30+ years of decline
Cities that are still growing:
Phoenix
Austin
Jacksonville
San Antonio
Fort Worth
Charlotte
Oklahoma City
Las Vegas
Tucson
Atlanta
Colorado Springs
Raleigh
Miami
Tampa
Orlando
Durham
Reno
Lubbock
Richmond
Boise
Huntsville
Tallahassee
Salt Lake City
Knoxville
Chattanooga
2022
8,335,897
2020
8,804,190
* first decline since 1980
Los Angeles
2022
3,822,238
2020
3,898,747
* first decline in city history
Chicago
2022
2,665,039
2020
2,746,388
* lowest population since 1910
Houston
2022
2,302,878
2020
2,304,580
* first decline in city history
Philadelphia
2022
1,567,258
2020
1,603,797
San Diego
2022
1,381,162
2020
1,386,932
* first decline in city history
Dallas
2022
1,299,544
2020
1,304,379
* first decline in city history
San Jose
2022
971,233
2020
1,013,240
* first decline in city history
San Francisco
2022
808,437
2020
873,965
* first decline since 1980
Denver
2022
713,252
2020
715,522
* first decline since 1990
Nashville
2022
683,622
2020
689,447
* first decline in city history
Washington DC
2022
671,803
2020
689,545
Boston
2022
650,706
2020
675,647
* first decline since 1980
Portland
2022
635,067
2020
652,503
* first decline since 1980
Louisville
2022
624,444
2020
633,045
* first decline since 1980
Memphis
2022
621,056
2020
633,104
Detroit
2022
620,376
2020
639,111
* lowest population since 1910; 60+ years of decline; last Republican mayor 65 years ago
Baltimore
2022
569,931
2020
585,708
* lowest population since 1910; 60+ years of decline; last Republican mayor 60 years ago
Milwaukee
2022
563,305
2020
577,222
* lowest population since 1920
Oakland
2022
430,553
2020
440,646
Minneapolis
2022
425,096
2020
429,954
* first decline since 1990
New Orleans
2022
369,749
2020
383,997
Cleveland
2022
361,607
2020
372,624
* lowest population since 1890; 60+ years of decline
St. Louis
2022
286,578
2020
301,578
* lowest population since 1860; 60+ years of decline; last Republican mayor 74 years ago
Baton Rouge
2022
221,453
2020
227,470
* lowest population since 1980
Birmingham
2022
196,910
2020
200,733
* lowest population since 1920; 50+ years of decline; last Republican mayor 55 years ago
Shreveport
2022
180,153
2020
187,593
* lowest population since 1960
Jackson
2022
145,995
2020
153,701
* lowest population since 1960; 30+ years of decline
Cities that are still growing:
Phoenix
Austin
Jacksonville
San Antonio
Fort Worth
Charlotte
Oklahoma City
Las Vegas
Tucson
Atlanta
Colorado Springs
Raleigh
Miami
Tampa
Orlando
Durham
Reno
Lubbock
Richmond
Boise
Huntsville
Tallahassee
Salt Lake City
Knoxville
Chattanooga
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Posted on 6/6/23 at 9:37 am to LuckyTiger
A lot of this is just people moving out to the suburbs because the city itself is a shithole due to local politics.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 9:39 am to LuckyTiger
Libruls are being redistributed across the country.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 9:42 am to LuckyTiger
I think in most of those cases, the metro area is increasing. People with means (and a brain) are moving to the suburbs or exurbs. Climate changers are trying to slow this down.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 9:52 am to teke184
That’s true.
What is unique is we are largely seeing a suburban rise and a city decline across a significant nationwide trend for the first time since the 1970s.
Especially noteworthy is California, which is also seeing declines in many suburbs in addition to cities.
What is unique is we are largely seeing a suburban rise and a city decline across a significant nationwide trend for the first time since the 1970s.
Especially noteworthy is California, which is also seeing declines in many suburbs in addition to cities.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 9:54 am to LuckyTiger
quote:
Especially noteworthy is California, which is also seeing declines in many suburbs in addition to cities
That’s different.
California is Detroit or St Louis level crime at London or Tokyo prices. People are leaving if they can cash out and find a job elsewhere.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 9:56 am to LuckyTiger
I wish people would move out of Denver, but they aren't
Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:03 am to LuckyTiger
Phoenix will join the decline list once the new water restrictions kick in.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:06 am to LuckyTiger
Coming to a red state near you 
Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:46 am to LuckyTiger
St. Louis is cooking the books.
Subtract 30,000 from our current population (minimum).
And our downtown cell usage is down +60% versus pre-Covid. And the city was dying before Covid.
Subtract 30,000 from our current population (minimum).
And our downtown cell usage is down +60% versus pre-Covid. And the city was dying before Covid.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:55 am to DesScorp
quote:
Phoenix will join the decline list once the new water restrictions kick in.
Climate change regulations will have a larger impact on population mobility than actual climate change.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:58 am to LuckyTiger
Are they counting the millions of illegal aliens? Where are they ending up at?
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:00 am to Tigers2010a
quote:
Are they counting the millions of illegal aliens?
Interestingly enough, the Census factors that in.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:05 am to LuckyTiger
I will play the uhaul game again:
Will edit shortly
OK, truck rental one way from Los Angeles to Houston is $3936
Houston to LA is $1778.
Same size truck, same dates.
Cost more than double because demand to move out of LA is so much higher than houston
Will edit shortly
OK, truck rental one way from Los Angeles to Houston is $3936
Houston to LA is $1778.
Same size truck, same dates.
Cost more than double because demand to move out of LA is so much higher than houston
This post was edited on 6/6/23 at 11:09 am
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:07 am to LuckyTiger
Ummmm....didn't a bunch of people die between 2020 & 2022 because of some pandemic, which might account for some of the population declines in these cities?
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:09 am to texn
quote:
Ummmm....didn't a bunch of people die between 2020 & 2022 because of some pandemic, which might account for some of the population declines in these cities?
I hope this is sarcasm.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:19 am to ksayetiger
quote:
I hope this is sarcasm
What’s scarier:
You can’t immediately tell it’s sarcasm
Or
It’s possible not sarcasm.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:29 am to LuckyTiger
The numbers are interesting and some are alarming but it’s a very superficial statistical look
What is important to ascertain is not the overall number but the financial and productivity makeup of those moving out. Also, in some cities, you see numbers that aren’t that bad but you have to consider that the outflow could mostly high earning citizens and at the same time, some low earning citizens moved in. The overall financial and productive makeup becomes lopsided more than the overall numbers tell.
So it’d be real interesting to see what these numbers look like broken down into income brackets
What is important to ascertain is not the overall number but the financial and productivity makeup of those moving out. Also, in some cities, you see numbers that aren’t that bad but you have to consider that the outflow could mostly high earning citizens and at the same time, some low earning citizens moved in. The overall financial and productive makeup becomes lopsided more than the overall numbers tell.
So it’d be real interesting to see what these numbers look like broken down into income brackets
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:40 am to LuckyTiger
Black Lives Matter and covid.
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