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re: If the optimism of yesterday is legit, did the media screw themselve with the doomcasting?

Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:45 am to
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:45 am to
I'm sure they'll make those arguments.

But presidents tend to be held responsible for high levels of employment and the details sometimes get muddy.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:46 am to
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“Better safe than sorry.”

“Still didn’t do enough”

“One life lost is too many”



"Lets not forget he said 'Grab them by the pussy.'"
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:46 am to
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What was our former "capacity" to act in a place like China with regard to something like this?


Nothing. When you’re working in a communist state bent on controlling the narrative more than anything else, there’s nothing to be done. I would’ve slashed funding for the office.
Posted by hashtag
Comfy, AF
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:47 am to
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SlowFlowPro
weren't you melting down yourself for the last 2 weeks? Pot, kettle.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
31951 posts
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:47 am to
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We were left to rely on WHO because we degraded our capacity.


China kept it's own people in the dark and let them die, then infected the world. But you think a few extra nerds and bureaucrats with the CDC in Beijing could've changed things?

Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
119801 posts
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:48 am to
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But presidents tend to be held responsible for high levels of employment and the details sometimes get muddy.


You’re very good at keeping hope alive with no data to support your beliefs. You’ll hang on. Vaya con Dios.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:48 am to
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Did Trump screw himself with his doomcasting?



No?
If anything he could be made out as doing a better job than even he thought he could do.
Win-win.
Posted by PorkSammich
North FL
Member since Sep 2013
15552 posts
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:48 am to
The media is going to take credit for it and say Democratic governors like Cuomo were the successful ones.

Won’t matter, they’ve handed Trump a major victory with voters once again.
Posted by TigerSprings
Southeast LA
Member since Jan 2019
2279 posts
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:51 am to
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They say 200,000 will die. Let's say even 50,000 die which probably won't happen


To me this means Trump saved 150,000 lives.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
10510 posts
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:53 am to
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China kept it's own people in the dark and let them die, then infected the world. But you think a few extra nerds and bureaucrats with the CDC in Beijing could've changed things?


There was a pandemic playbook that wasn't consulted. We had a pandemic expert on the National Security Council that Bolton axed, saying that pandemics weren't a national security issue. Even as it was, HHS was trying to get Trump's attention on the issue and he interrupted Azar's briefing about COVID to ask when flavored vapes were coming back on the market.

They're going to argue that jobs were shut down that wouldn't have been shut down if we'd had test-and-trace, that we might have ended up more like South Korea than worse than Spain, Italy, and the UK.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:53 am to
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We were left to rely on WHO because we degraded our capacity. Not arguing that this will become mainstream public opinion, but don't be surprised if you see this messaging.

no i get it. i'm saying if that's the message, it's only going to energize the very political/far left

for the right/middle, it's going to sound like Trump has been right about "globalism" and China all along

you have to imagine what a middle of the road American is like right now. they've been told millions of people may die so if Trump gets that down to 30-50k by November, it's going to seem like a HUGE win. and the only reason why they expected such high death totals was the doomcasting by the media in an attempt to hurt Trump

the WHO argument has the same potential "backfire" effect. i get the argument, but how it plays? i dunno (for those trying to hurt Trump)
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
450812 posts
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:54 am to
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weren't you melting down yourself for the last 2 weeks? Pot, kettle.

uh yeah b/c we've overreacted by trying to paint a universal brush when it's clear that was not needed
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:54 am to
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100 - 200 thousand was the number put out by the Presidential Task Force


Genius strategy!
Just think how good he'll look when it's a fraction of that!
Genius strategy...perfect...it was perfect.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
119801 posts
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:55 am to
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They're going to argue that jobs were shut down that wouldn't have been shut down if we'd had test-and-trace, that we might have ended up more like South Korea than worse than Spain, Italy, and the UK.


Even if that’s a valid argument (and it has some holes), no one outside of people who already hate Trump are going down that Subreddit rabbit hole.
Posted by KCT
Psalm 23:5
Member since Feb 2010
42138 posts
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:56 am to
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If the optimism of yesterday is legit, did the media screw themselve with the doomcasting?


The corrupt, bought-and-paid-for corporate media has absolutely screwed themselves, but will they ever acknowledge that their incessant gloom-and-doom sky screaming was harmful to the country? No, because here's exactly what they will do:

They will seamlessly seque into obsessing over the Pelosi/Schiff/Nadler Oversight Hearings regarding President Trump's "mishandling" of the Covid-19 crisis. Mark my words

PS - And just like clockwork, Benedict Romney will support the endeavour thereby allowing Democrats and the media to falsely claim that the hearings are both legitimate and bipartisan.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
31951 posts
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:57 am to
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To me this means Trump saved 150,000 lives.


More like 2 million.


The 200,000 figure is the much reduced number.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
450812 posts
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:57 am to
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if we'd had test-and-trace

i get it and the CDC clearly failed

but, as this goes on, SK will become a bigger and bigger outlier.

if this starts to rage in continental Europe in the fall? oh man Trump is going to win bigly
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:00 am to
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Trump slashed it and handed that role to WHO, which gets pushed around by authoritarian govts.


Link?
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
31951 posts
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:00 am to
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if we'd had test-and-trace, that we might have ended up more like South Korea


There is no hypothetical situation where we end up like South Korea.

Our country is different, our people are different, our laws and customs are different.

This is a ridiculous talking point.
Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
17956 posts
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:01 am to
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worse than Spain, Italy, and the UK.


By what measure are we worse than Italy, Spain and the UK? Total deaths? Per capita?
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