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re: If the government comes out and claims we have evidence life outside of Earth

Posted on 7/25/20 at 4:29 pm to
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
27669 posts
Posted on 7/25/20 at 4:29 pm to
quote:

Ozone can only exist with oxygen and oxygen can only exist with life.


Why do you say that?
Posted by RazorBroncs
Harding Bisons Fan
Member since Sep 2013
13545 posts
Posted on 7/25/20 at 4:55 pm to
I've always believed that there is intelligent life out there - the odds of it existing between billions of planets and millions of galaxies pretty much confirm this.

Have they been here to visit though? That's infinitely less certain.

I do know that we cannot think about things like travel time, distance, and speed limited to human terms if we really want to move forward with our understanding of possible alien life. Our galaxy alone is BILLIONS of years old, and human existence only makes up a teeny-tiny little blip on the end of that timeline.

It's not much of a stretch to think that there might be many life forms out there that have existed for millions - or even billions - of years. Now think about how much humanity has advanced in a couple thousand... or even the last 100 years.

There's no imagining what an intelligent species that's thousands of times older than us could be capable of. It's beyond even our greatest imagination, just like the technology of today could never be imagined or understood by those in biblical times.

Now when it comes to religion, the bible was written a couple-thousand years ago by humans. Those humans only knew what existed around them and as it related to the earth itself, they had no understanding of further planets and galaxies. I give the bible and religious texts a break here, and the discovery of alien life wouldn't disprove anything in that regard.

Nor would the discovery disprove that God exists; it would only prove that we weren't able to fully grasp the scale at which God created the universe a couple thousand years ago.

Now that we have SOME understanding of the vastness of the universe, it's pretty easy to say that WE misunderstood the entire time what God is and the grand scale of that he created; we were working with very limited info at the time.

I think as time goes on, religion will start to recognize this more and more and not stick so closely to their original religious texts they were founded upon. I've always been at that point anyway, as I believe in God 100% but think the bible was written as more of a "guide" to be taken as a set of morals and principles and never meant to be interpreted as historical fact of events that took place.

TLDR - the existence of alien life wouldn't make me any more or less religious, or change my belief in God. Just like evolution doesn't change my belief, God could've created it as part of his grand plan (as well as the entire universe and other life forms)
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 7/25/20 at 5:47 pm to
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quote:

would probably be met with the same reaction Spain had when they found out the Americas existed. "Well, do they have gold?"
Except we would be the "native Americans" in this case. Lets just hope their intentions would be different!

Posted by ninthward
Boston, MA
Member since May 2007
20439 posts
Posted on 7/25/20 at 5:51 pm to
they just did
Posted by DeusVultMachina
Member since Jul 2017
4245 posts
Posted on 7/25/20 at 5:55 pm to
Would not have figured you a fan of Harry Turtledove.
Posted by TheBoo
South to Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
4534 posts
Posted on 7/25/20 at 5:59 pm to
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If the government comes out and claims we have evidence life outside of Earth


Then you'll know they finally worked out the political gain they would see from it.
Posted by Thunder
Western by God Vernon Parish
Member since Mar 2006
2421 posts
Posted on 7/25/20 at 6:00 pm to
If God has no beginning and no end what the frick you think he has beem doing for eons? Just asking
This post was edited on 7/25/20 at 6:01 pm
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44041 posts
Posted on 7/25/20 at 6:02 pm to
We’re (humans on Earth) not even a blip in time.
How anyone can think there isn’t life “out there” is just plain silly.

As for how it would affect us ... I don’t think it would.
I’m a woman of strong faith.
There’s zero doubt in my mind that God created everything—on Earth and beyond.
Posted by Cuz413
Member since Nov 2007
7359 posts
Posted on 7/25/20 at 6:07 pm to
Of all of the crap we've seen over the last 4 years to trigger Progressives, if President Trump were to announce during the press conference that he's held conversations with the aliens and is held in high regards with their race, that would legit cause some of them to commit suicide
Posted by DeusVultMachina
Member since Jul 2017
4245 posts
Posted on 7/25/20 at 6:08 pm to
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We’re (humans on Earth) not even a blip in time.
How anyone can think there isn’t life “out there” is just plain silly.



Though I agree with you, I must point out that TIME is the rate limiting factor here.

A civilization can exist for millions of years, and then be wiped out.

Galactic time scale makes discovery of another civilization less likely (even if it exists... and yes, I think there are others).


You aren't just looking for a grain of sand on the beach or a needle in a haystack. You are looking for a specific grain of sand on a specific beach of a specific planet at a specific second on a specific day of a specific year amongst all the millenia when it exists, etc.

And then to talk about proximity and contact... yikes.

But I agree, just talking math.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
58125 posts
Posted on 7/25/20 at 6:09 pm to
It wouldn’t change my faith in God at all.
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44041 posts
Posted on 7/25/20 at 6:09 pm to
So great.
I love that.
But we need to be sipping something grand when having this conversation.
Posted by DeusVultMachina
Member since Jul 2017
4245 posts
Posted on 7/25/20 at 6:10 pm to
Hahaha, thanks.

Cheers!
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 7/25/20 at 6:10 pm to
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Would not have figured you a fan of Harry Turtledove.
Alt History is my favorite fiction genre.

Turtledove is prolific in the genre, and his research is excellent. His writing can get ... a bit ... repetitive.
Posted by DeusVultMachina
Member since Jul 2017
4245 posts
Posted on 7/25/20 at 6:12 pm to
He is good, agree.

He does great research and does a nice job with historical context in his alt timelines
Posted by CajunTiger78
Member since Aug 2017
2528 posts
Posted on 7/25/20 at 7:33 pm to
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So great.
I love that.
But we need to be sipping something grand when having this conversation.



Jack Daniels Rye here, with a Macanudo cafe cigar
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