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re: If masks are so great
Posted on 7/13/20 at 12:12 am to Froman
Posted on 7/13/20 at 12:12 am to Froman
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It’s the people doing things the right way that they infect that I’ll truly feel sorry for.
Repeatedly wearing a cloth face mask like 90% of the idiots in your local grocery store is not doing things the right way.
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Posted on 7/13/20 at 12:17 am to frogglet
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WTH, guys - seriously. Do you even read the studies you link?
Our results indicate that surgical face masks could prevent transmission of human coronaviruses and influenza viruses from symptomatic individuals.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 12:17 am to Lima Whiskey
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Sure - but it should be mentioned
I just thought it should be mentioned that one of the 4 reasons stated for the conclusion in the OP was 180 degrees from the truth, in an objectively and easily provable way
Posted on 7/13/20 at 12:20 am to David_DJS
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WTH, guys - seriously. Do you even read the studies you link?
Our results indicate that surgical face masks could prevent transmission of human coronaviruses and influenza viruses from symptomatic individuals.
Yes, I did read it. Could you explain your objection?
Posted on 7/13/20 at 12:33 am to frogglet
Is the mandate that symptomatic people must wear surgical masks when out in public?
Posted on 7/13/20 at 1:04 am to da prophet
Masks help but won’t fix everything by themselves.
Do you only want a silver bullet solution and the rest be damned?
Do you only want a silver bullet solution and the rest be damned?
Posted on 7/13/20 at 1:08 am to Froman
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Froman
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I wish natural selection would just wipe them out.
Back at ya, you fricking Fried Tart.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 1:12 am to Redleg Guy
Do you not want to wear them because you work in a job that requires you to wear a mask for your full 40+ hrs per week?
Or do you just not like wearing them for the 20mins you are in a store?
I think those that object to wearing masks should have to qualify how many hours per week on average you wear them?
Or do you just not like wearing them for the 20mins you are in a store?
I think those that object to wearing masks should have to qualify how many hours per week on average you wear them?
Posted on 7/13/20 at 1:21 am to David_DJS
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Is the mandate that symptomatic people must wear surgical masks when out in public?
No, it isn't.
Since you refuse to actually make your point, I'll try to make it for you. You believe that because the study didn't look at asymptomatic people it is unreasonable to extrapolate the results to cover transmission from asymptomatic people?
Do you believe that asymptomatic people don't spread the virus to others, or do you believe that somehow masks work for symptomatic people but wouldn't stop the spread from asymptomatic people?
If the latter, I see no reason why masks would reduce viral load in exhaled breath of symptomatic people but not reduce viral load in exhaled breath of asymptomatic people. Do you?
Posted on 7/13/20 at 2:02 am to frogglet
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Since you refuse to actually make your point,
I thought it was obvious.
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I'll try to make it for you. You believe that because the study didn't look at asymptomatic people it is unreasonable to extrapolate the results to cover transmission from asymptomatic people?
You guessed wrong.
You don’t see a problem with using a study that considers only only surgical masks Being used in a manner consistent with medical protocols as scientific proof that masks of any type/material, worn in any manner substantially prevents the spread of COVID?
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Do you believe that asymptomatic people don't spread the virus to others, o
This is a second argument against the mandate - one supported by the WHO, before it wasn’t due to political fallout from its original reporting.
Nobody knows any of this shite. Nobody knows the dimensions of asymptotic spread. Nobody knows how effective random masks made of random fabrics are at preventing spread.
And that one of the few “knowns” - that kids aren’t at risk and do not spread the virus- is ignored by the same people promoting the use of masks makes it very clear that all of the BS is political and their words should not be taken at face value.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 2:49 am to David_DJS
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Being used in a manner consistent with medical protocols
Wearing a mask properly is not difficult.
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You don’t see a problem with using a study that considers only only surgical masks Being used in a manner consistent with medical protocols as scientific proof that masks of any type/material, worn in any manner substantially prevents the spread of COVID?
If this was the only study you'd have a point. Other studies have looked at cloth masks and found them to be effective as well, though not as effective as surgical masks. Perhaps try to look for one yourself, and see what you find. Being able to search for things yourself is a useful skill to learn. Good luck.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 3:52 am to frogglet
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Wearing a mask properly is not difficult.
Have you been out in public? Watching other people wear them wrong? It's apparent to me that it's more difficult than you think...well...more than likely the average person is dumber than we all think.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 5:27 am to Lima Whiskey
The issue with offering specifics about the effectiveness of masks against the spread of COVID is that those who don't believe, at this late stage, that masks are effective are generally very motivated to continue in that disbelief no matter what. So it's kind of pointless.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 5:34 am to CMBears1259
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All were seeing right now is panic and hysteria, to a not particularly dangerous virus
Wot?
Posted on 7/13/20 at 6:11 am to da prophet
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Bars are the problem, backyard gatherings are the problem, to many people ignoring the rules are the problem, and on and on and on he goes.
I disagree. The onto elm is that I have to get tested to even know if I have it. The problem is that people like you are willing to sacrifice freedoms that millions have died so that we can enjoy over a fricking head cold that kills old people and fatties
This post was edited on 7/13/20 at 6:12 am
Posted on 7/13/20 at 6:25 am to da prophet
If airbags work, then why do we need seat belts? If seat belts work, then why do we need airbags? If both work, then why do we need brakes?
Posted on 7/13/20 at 7:12 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Mickey Goldmill
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3. The only study done shows 97% of particles/stuff passes through cloth masks (maybe JBE’s works better) vs 44% with medical masks.(translation cloth masks are worthless)
So explain how this 3% of particles are going to stop the spread from someone that shows no symptoms...quit cherry picking the info and date you want to see and analyze it as a whole...i see you had a rebuttal on OP's #4 but left #3 out which totally contradicts your article
Posted on 7/13/20 at 7:39 am to frogglet
Thanks for the compilation frogglet. After reviewing some of them, it seems that ALL of the conclusions supporting mask wearing are simply a function of assumptions and correlation. Regarding mask-wearing, I STILL haven't seen ANY double blind studies that could be replicated. If anyone could point me to such a study, that would be much appreciated.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 7:48 am to da prophet
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Bars are the problem, backyard gatherings are the problem, to many people ignoring the rules are the problem, and on and on and on he goes.
Forgetting about protests day and night? Where thousands gather to yell and scream shoulder to shoulder?
Posted on 7/13/20 at 7:52 am to longwayfromLA
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3. Many, many studies have been done by now that show the effectiveness of masks.
You would be wrong.
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