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re: If impeachment is the most serious event for our government
Posted on 1/29/20 at 11:31 pm to RebelExpress38
Posted on 1/29/20 at 11:31 pm to RebelExpress38
What exactly does it take to change impeachment rules? Seems like both sides should be able to see the dumbassery of this.
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Posted on 1/30/20 at 12:57 am to flyAU
While I do agree that impeachment should require more than a simple majority in the House, let's not forget that the Framers set up Congress with 2 year terms for the House and 6 year terms and gave them different functions for a myriad of reasons.
Where we have erred as a nation was in the ratification of the 17th Amendment of the Constitution, allowing voting to determine the election of US Senators over appointment by the state legislatures as was orginally intended by the Framers.
This has fostered the current environment of outside money unduly influencing Senate races. Had the 17th never passed, things would be very different today.
Where we have erred as a nation was in the ratification of the 17th Amendment of the Constitution, allowing voting to determine the election of US Senators over appointment by the state legislatures as was orginally intended by the Framers.
This has fostered the current environment of outside money unduly influencing Senate races. Had the 17th never passed, things would be very different today.
Posted on 1/30/20 at 1:07 am to highcotton2
To be fair, most are complacent bc nothing ever happens to anyone in govt.
Posted on 1/30/20 at 1:10 am to RebelExpress38
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To be fair to the framers, the standard of high crimes and misdemeanors is still the standard. Just because the Dems ignored it, doesn’t mean they had a bad framework.
I do agree that it should be a high 2/3rd threshold for both bodies. That’ll all but eliminate partisan impeachment.
This ^
The framers of the Constitution were not imagining impeachment being used as a political tool by a particular party.
And this actually held true for most of history, but today politicians (the Dems specifically) are able to get away with more openly unethical behavior because the media has driven such a strong wedge in the populace where people now only care about their side winning at any cost to the country's well-being.
Posted on 1/30/20 at 1:22 am to flyAU
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I have lost a shite ton of respect for the actual rules and grounds that the forefathers have set up.
The whole thing was built on the premise that moral Christians would be operating the system.
Once human secularism took hold of it, it starts breaking down.
Posted on 1/30/20 at 2:15 am to flyAU
The question and answer sessions are completely idiotic. The questions are asked and then the answerer basically can give any answer on anything we wants. He can interject new facts; argue a point of law; give his opinion on the facts. He is not constrained by the actual facts.
It’s a collosal waste of time.
It’s a collosal waste of time.
Posted on 1/30/20 at 2:23 am to texridder
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The question and answer sessions are completely idiotic.
The whole thing is idiotic.
We have grown adults, well paid from the public trough, strutting around the halls of government and pretending that they are doing something solemn and sacred.
It's all theater of the absurd.
Posted on 1/30/20 at 3:18 am to flyAU
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I have lost a shite ton of respect for the actual rules and grounds that the forefathers have set up. It basically came down to the first clown show of a party to weaponize it for their own political gains for it to show what horrible framework this had.
The constitution was written to govern a moral and religious population = Good faith is the lynchpin of our government
No written document can control the actions of evil people acting in bad faith.
LBJ started this devolution into idiocracy - Clinton monetized it - Obama applied the knife in the back.
Posted on 1/30/20 at 6:23 am to C
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To allow councils to fully lie and for senators to ask questions unrelated to the "trial" in forms of "gotchas" should show every citizen we should do everything we can to limit the power of our govt. there is no way you should trust any of them.
Neither party has any interest in making gov’t smaller or less powerful. In fact, we’ve dramatically increased the size and scope of gov’t over the last 30 years especially the executive branch.
Posted on 1/30/20 at 8:46 am to Rip N Lip
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ratification of the 17th Amendment
I am ignorant of this.
Posted on 1/30/20 at 9:01 am to BuckyCheese
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I think a big part of that is most people know there is no way he's getting removed.
They know the charges are crap.
Most everyone knows that the impeachment is bullschiff
Posted on 1/30/20 at 8:50 pm to Walkthedawg
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Most everyone knows that the impeachment is bullschiff
Which is why we need to change things.
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