re: If homosexuals are “born that way”

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it just seems unlikely that society is going to take a guy with ZERO predisposition to the same sex and drive him to a life of skin care products and Judy Garland records.

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Well there's a stereotype.
If the "society" in consideration is a long-term all-male penitentiary, behavior is affected accordingly. It's skewed heavily toward homosexual sex (70%-90%), mostly consensual, rather than abstinence or autosexuality.

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That's kind of what I imagine is happening with homosexuality and other LGBT-ZXKUQYB types.

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IMO that's OK for adults ... vivre et laisser vivre. The issue is with kids, school propaganda, and even by extrapolation, to gay adoption. Transgendering takes the equation a giant step forward from there.

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I think this idea is really bad for children. You have boys who have no desire to engage in buggery, and are perfectly normal in most respects, thinking that they might quietly be carrying some "gene" that will turn them into flamboyant, lisping pedophiles at the onset of puberty. That's absolutely terrifying. It's like lying to children and telling then they might have the gene for Huntington's Disease. Then, when they get scared, you tell them that Huntington's Disease is actually super-cool and lets you not be a mean white oppressor. It's difficult for me to imagine anything more evil than that.

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You know what’s actually bad for children? Them being gay, then not accepted by their own parents, or society. It’s not a choice. I’m friends with a lot of gay people, I challenge you to find one of them that wouldn’t rather be straight. You just don’t choose who you’re sexually attracted to.

Also, regarding your Huntington’s point. That’s an exaggeration. My parents told me I may have the Parkinson’s gene. No one told me it’s super cool. It was more like, if you get it, there are ways you can manage it.

And to your last point… I have a good friend who is gay, and raised by Scientologists. When he came out, they sent him to conversion therapy (which never, ever works) and made him feel like total shite. When it didn’t work, they disowned him for 6 years. He has a complex where he has to tell everyone he’s gay or imply it, not to flaunt it, but because he genuinely thinks he will be hated for it, like his parents did.

THAT is evil.

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I was shooting for “broad humor.”

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It was taken that way. I was as well.

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It’s not a choice.

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As an overarching generality, your premise is patently false as has been factually established, and noted multiple times in this thread.

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bad for children?

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Children are not sexual beings. Without grooming, they have virtually no sexual interests prior to puberty. So "gay" at that stage, more often than not, is a reference to pediatric gender dysphoria. If you are under the impression that parents playing into gender dysphoria (transgenderism) at that age are doing their kids a service, you are horribly mistaken.

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conversion therapy (which never, ever works)

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Again, a misplaced generality.

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When it didn’t work, they disowned him for 6 years....THAT is evil.

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On that single point, you're right.

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I challenge you to find one of them that wouldn’t rather be straight.

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Your anecdote as applicable to the 21st century US is not indicative of any general reality. But let's assume for argument that it was.

Why would gay folks want to be straight?

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As an overarching generality, your premise is patently false as has been factually established, and noted multiple times in this thread.

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Must have missed that point, just seems like a bunch of ill informed boomers talking about something they’ve never seen in real life. There is absolutely no data that supports homosexuality is a choice. It’s not rocket science. In the case of my friend raised by Scientologists, why would he consciously choose that?

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Children are not sexual beings. Without grooming, they have virtually no sexual interests prior to puberty.

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Depends on how old the child is. For the most part, they are sexual beings to an extent. What you’re trying to say is, they’re not sexually mature beings.

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Again, a misplaced generality.

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Conversion therapy. Does. Not. Work. It just convinces gays to act differently. There is more than enough data by medical doctors and scientists that have discredited the effectiveness of conversion therapy.

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Your anecdote as applicable to the 21st century US is not indicative of any general reality. But let's assume for argument that it was. Why would gay folks want to be straight?

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I answered that question. Growing up sexually attracted to men, though it’s not frowned upon the same way today, is an unfathomable cross to bear. Ask a gay guy if his life would’ve been easier or harder if he were straight. Someone made the point about gay people in Saudi Arabia. Why would someone consciously choose to like penises (which are disgusting to me as a straight man as it is, no amount of money could make me give a guy a BJ), and risk their lives, being disowned by their families, getting stoned to death… it’s not that complicated.

I look at it as a real disorder that there isn’t a cure for. Because that’s basically what it is.

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There’s plenty of data that supports that homosexuality doesn’t have a one-to-one correspondence with genetics (including everything we know about genetics).

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There's also data to suggest that in social settings where it's cool to be gay it increases, only to go away when they get older and enter real life. It's just not credible in 2023 to claim that there's no social component.

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Must have missed that point, just seems like a bunch of ill informed boomers talking about something they’ve never seen in real life.

There is absolutely no data that supports homosexuality is a choice.

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Read the thread.

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There’s no gene for schizophrenia. No gene for addiction. No gene for personality disorders.

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Before you dig deeper, you don't know enough about genetics to go there.

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Depends on how old the child is.

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It doesn't appear you are familiar with the term "prepubescent."