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re: If Ford just made up her story ...

Posted on 9/19/18 at 4:59 pm to
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 9/19/18 at 4:59 pm to
quote:

Ok, I'll bite. Why would either everyone know or no one know?

More importantly, we are supposedly talking about a 15y/o girl . . . who didn't talk with anyone.

In the words of McEnroe, "YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!"

How familiar are you with the chat habits of 15y/o's?
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 5:00 pm to
quote:

Why is gop so afraid to have fbi squeeze all of them?


Begging the Question Fallacy.

Being "afraid" has nothing to do with it. Not letting the lib/derps run the narrative with silly teenager crap has something to do with it..at least I would guess thats part of it.
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14944 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 5:01 pm to
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Dont care if it did happen

In that case, do you care if Kavanaugh lied about it?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128773 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 5:02 pm to
Everyone lies about sex.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 5:02 pm to
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Criminy, Otto. Go take your fricking meds. You’re sundowning.

lame personal attack is no substitute for really addressing the issue.

She's asking the fbi to be the one to establish facts instead of he said she said.

Address her request.
Go ahead.
Posted by DRMPHD
College Station, Texas
Member since Jun 2018
277 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 5:02 pm to
Seriously? It is so blatantly obvious that this is just an attempt to delay a vote until after the elections. That won't save the Dems anyway since they are more likely to lose seats than gain.

ETA: Did you see even McCaskill, who is in a tough reelection fight, has now said if Ford doesn't testify, she is going to ignore the allegations in casting her vote. It's over Dems.
This post was edited on 9/19/18 at 5:04 pm
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 5:03 pm to
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She's asking the fbi to be the one to establish facts instead of he said she said.



She doesn't know what year it occurred...
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
110895 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 5:03 pm to
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She's asking the fbi to be the one to establish facts instead of he said she said.


Sounds to me like she's asking them to recreate her memory. I'm not sure how they are supposed to do that.
Posted by GeeOH
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2013
13376 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 5:03 pm to
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why did she say there was a witness present? Why didn't she say it was just her and Kavanaugh alone?

And why did she say that the witness was Mark Judge, Kavanaugh's friend?


She was looking to delay. Who knows, maybe they were all 3 making out. And WHO FUVKING CARES?

It was a stall tactic, including the FBI stunt. Make it go to November and hope the Senate swings their way.

It worked as intended, it delayed the vote and cast doubt.

She should be jailed
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128773 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 5:03 pm to
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She's asking the fbi to be the one to establish facts instead of he said she said.


No. The FBI’s job isn’t to create a story for her where she has none. She submits the story. That’s how this works.
Posted by roadGator
DeBoar’s dome
Member since Feb 2009
157679 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 5:04 pm to
FBI isn't at the leisure of sky screamers.

Do better, girl.
Posted by BlackHelicopterPilot
Top secret lab
Member since Feb 2004
52841 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 5:04 pm to
quote:

She's asking the fbi to be the one to establish facts instead of he said she said.


* not a stall at all *
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 5:06 pm to
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In that case, do you care if Kavanaugh lied about it?



Strawman Fallacy.

It hasn't been established that he lied.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138740 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 5:07 pm to
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Why is she demanding fbi interrogate the witness
Why is she avoiding testifying to the FBI?
Posted by TheSexecutioner
Member since Mar 2011
5264 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 5:08 pm to
Because her original therapy notes that she hinged her credibility on had 4 ppl in the room and was a gang-rape. Going down to just 2, you can still say gang-rape but claim 1 figure is wrong. Far more plausible to say the therapist wrote a digit wrong than to say she wrote a sentence about it being a gang-rape wrong.

So you need at least 2 to keep that. So who to pick besides kavanaugh to get most credibility? Coincidently, it was the one person who she would know wrote a book about drunken high school exploits.

The question isn't why add another one. The question is why were 2 subtracted. And why is the one who couldn't be subtracted(bc it would disqualify gang-rape notes) coincidently the one who has a book published to the public about hijinx with kavanaugh?

It is EXACTLY what you would do if you were lying. Of course she doesn't want the extra witness in the room. But you need some witness for the notes to just be laughably contradictory rather than irreconcilably contradictory. And as long as you need 1, you pick the one who mitigates your loss of credibility the most.
This post was edited on 9/19/18 at 5:13 pm
Posted by N.O. via West-Cal
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2004
7873 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 5:09 pm to
Here is the most amazing thing to me:

As a society, we now take seriously allegations that are clearly unprovable if those allegations relate to any form of sexual harassment or misconduct. In one sense, this is probably good because it reflects that society is generally not inclined to disregard sexual misconduct. But what to DO about the unprovable? Insist that Kavanaugh deny them in such a way that reflects his retained empathy for victims of sexual assault? Must his demonstrated empathy include his alleged accuser?

A thought experiment: What if Dr. Ford said that Kavanaugh robbed her of a sum of cash that night some 35 years ago? He grabbed her, covered her mouth, and then took $100 out of her purse. Would such uncorroborated allegations of robbery be sufficient to require additional Senate hearings?

Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14944 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 5:09 pm to
quote:

Kavanaugh won't be confirmed. Someone else will be nominated.
quote:
texridder

bookmarked filth

Read the post I was responding to first to save yourself some time.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 5:09 pm to
quote:

She's asking the fbi to be the one to establish facts instead of he said she said. Address her request. Go ahead.


This is just dumb.
Investigate something that only exists in a persons mind. No evidence to parse, no information on who, what, when, where, no witnesses, etc. HOW is that to be "investigated"? Not only that, but what is your basis for believing that the FBI has jurisdiction over a teenage beer party 36 years ago??
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 5:10 pm to
quote:

Sounds to me like she's asking them to recreate her memory. I'm not sure how they are supposed to do that.

Exactly.
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 5:10 pm to
Where are the witnesses?
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