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re: If each state had congress rep. based on percentage of each partys number of voters
Posted on 5/4/26 at 10:15 am to atlgamecockman
Posted on 5/4/26 at 10:15 am to atlgamecockman
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Land doesn't vote.
I'm not so sure; I'm pretty sure there were some vacant lots voting in 2016.
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Posted on 5/4/26 at 12:17 pm to NC_Tigah
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What source?
The source is the math provided.
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What chart?
I took the data from it and organized it similarly in text
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Everything I've read indicates that non-gerrymandered, "compact districts"
What is a "compact district" and what does it have to do with OP or my post?
OP was talking about basing it strictly off national voting (he used the 2024 # and I used the 2016 numbers, done 2 ways)
Posted on 5/4/26 at 12:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The DEMs have dominated national voting totals for the past 20 years.
That oddly coincides with a consent decree that limits only the Republican party and increases fraud. It also coincides with increased democrat lawfare.
Interesting.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 12:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
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This is from a chart so the formatting is bad:
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What chart?
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I took the data from it and organized it similarly in text
Let's try again. What chart is it that you took the data from?
Posted on 5/4/26 at 12:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:In the 2016 U.S. presidential election, Donald Trump won far more congressional districts than Hillary Clinton.
OP was talking about basing it strictly off national voting (he used the 2024 # and I used the 2016 numbers, done 2 ways)
Trump carried about 2,600+ congressional districts
Clinton carried about 500+ congressional districts.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 1:11 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
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That oddly coincides with a consent decree that limits only the Republican party and increases fraud.
Which one?
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It also coincides with increased democrat lawfare.
You took a word that means nothing and somehow made it mean even less
Posted on 5/4/26 at 1:14 pm to NC_Tigah
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Let's try again. What chart is it that you took the data from?
The chart was created and populated by the data I posted.
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Party Popular Vote %
House Seats (of 435) and Senate Seats (of 100)
Democratic 48.2%
210 & 48
Republican 46.1%
200 & 46
Libertarian 3.3%
14 & 3
Green 1.1%
5 & 1
Other 1.3%
6 & 2
Same stuff.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 1:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
SFP, we aren't a parliamentary democracy with all sorts and types of minority parties.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 1:16 pm to NC_Tigah
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In the 2016 U.S. presidential election, Donald Trump won far more congressional districts than Hillary Clinton.
Again, what does that have to do with OP?
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If each state had congress rep. based on percentage of each partys number of voters
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What would congressional representation look like if each state had congressional representation based on percentage of each partys number of voters?
Nothing about dividing it by Congressional district. I believe his point was to show that it roughly comes out the same (he just only used 2024 data to come to that conclusion).
Posted on 5/4/26 at 1:17 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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SFP, we aren't a parliamentary democracy
I didn't make this topic
I just used a different year and had it run two ways.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 1:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Goodness
Again, what does that have to do with OP?
Posted on 5/4/26 at 1:28 pm to NC_Tigah
He's talking about allocating national votes to parties and ignoring Congressional districts.
Why do you keep going back to talking about Congressional districts? The point of this discussion is to ignore them.
Why do you keep going back to talking about Congressional districts? The point of this discussion is to ignore them.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 1:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Because they speak to the same distributional geography I referenced earlier. Sans gerrymanders, you end up with 55% GOP districts and 90% Dem districts. That translates to far fewer districts going Dem, just as was the case in 2016. Geographic divisions are necessary to elect US Reps. It is foundational to the OP.
Why do you keep going back to talking about Congressional districts? The point of this discussion is to ignore them.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 2:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Yes but the system is inherently biased to over-represent rural areas.
100k people is 100k no matter if they cover 2 square miles or 200 square miles. Like I said before POPULATION based.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 3:19 pm to Barneyrb
quote:How do you get Dems proportional representation in the Dakotas, Wyoming, Alaska, Montana, etc?
100k people is 100k no matter if they cover 2 square miles or 200 square miles.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 3:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Nothing about dividing it by Congressional district. I believe his point was to show that it roughly comes out the same (he just only used 2024 data to come to that conclusion)
This is accurate. I was curious about what the results would be if congressional representatives were based on an objective, yet real, basis.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 3:22 pm to NC_Tigah
You can't. That's why its biased in favor of the GOP.
Which is why if you run this proportional system back you'd see the GOP losing a ton of cumulative seats as we went backwards.
Which is why if you run this proportional system back you'd see the GOP losing a ton of cumulative seats as we went backwards.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 3:23 pm to lake chuck fan
Mixed-proportional is where it’s at. Have to increase the size of the House though.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 3:23 pm to lake chuck fan
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This is accurate. I was curious about what the results would be if congressional representatives were based on an objective, yet real, basis.
I know that's why I did 2016, to show a more typical race.
I skipped 2020 for obvious reasons.
DEMs get a lot more seats in 2000, 2008, 2012, 2016, and 2020.
GOP gets proportional seats in 2004 and 2024
Posted on 5/4/26 at 3:25 pm to Meauxjeaux
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This country is likely 65-35 conservative to liberal split. A decade ago it was about 75-25.
There is literally no existing metric that supports these statements
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