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re: If Allah exists, why is the ISLAMIC Republic of Iran getting destroyed by INFIDELS?
Posted on 7/20/26 at 4:12 pm to FooManChoo
Posted on 7/20/26 at 4:12 pm to FooManChoo
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It's not talking about a corruption of the Christian or Jewish Scriptures. It's talking about individuals (scribes and rabbis) writing something down and claiming it's from God.
Think, Foo, think…what do you call something a rabbi and a scribe would write down with their hand and claim it is from God?
Verily verily I say to thee - thou art retarded for Jesus!
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You still haven't quoted anything about the Scriptures being corrupted. I'm waiting.
Except for the part about the Jewish scribes and rabbis writing false scriptures.
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And I'm still waiting for a quotation where the Quran says the Christian Scriptures are corrupted.
It calls them all “people of the book”. Surah 2:79 refers to people of the book corrupting the scriptures. Christians were described as people of the book. Comprende?
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The point is that the Quran is contradictory because it plays nice with the Christian Scriptures that contradict it.
Which Christian scripture does it refer to? Codex Vaticanus? Codex sinaiticus? The Quran does mention Christians worshipping Jesus as a god - Mary too as another god, rather than worshipping Allah.
It is pure stupidity for you to assume “the gospel” specifically refers to the Nicene Christian canon of the Roman Empire. On top of that, in 3:49 it specifically refers to a story only found in the infancy gospel of Thomas. It’s the story about Jesus making clay birds on the sabbath and then he breathed into the clay and the clays turned into real birds and flew away. So the Quran just uses “the gospel” and then tells a story from the infancy gospel of Thomas, and your dumb arse automatically assumes the Quran is talking about the 5th century gospels of Mark Matthew Luke and John specifically as endorsed by Rome???
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Even if Muhammad believed the infancy gospel was part of Christian belief, it only further proves my point that the Quran is false by its own standards. It didn't know what the Christians actually accepted as the gospel at that point in time, and it clearly taught the Bible was authoritative and not corrupted at that point.
It clearly did not. You’re just making shite up, and it’s sad.
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What Christians and Jews believed to be Scripture by-and-large at the time the Quran was written is well documented, and the Quran makes no statement that those writings were corrupted
Obviously the writers of the Quran had access to Christian gospels that were not accepted as authoritative by Roman Catholic orthodoxy.
The majority of secular scholars think that Islam arose from Torah-observant Christians - perhaps Ebionites, who escaped into Arabia and settled there and were unmolested by Roman authorities so they were free to evolve their religion. If Muhammad really did exist, he would have been from one of these desert dwelling Christian sects who believed Jesus was a devout Jew and messiah who was a prophet but not divine.
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Posted on 7/20/26 at 4:35 pm to FooManChoo
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1) No one is “good” but God (as Jesus said) 2) Bad things happen for the good of God’s people and for the glory of God.
So Jesus says (allegedly) that no one is good but God ( who some Christian’s believe is God). And whatever bad happens in your life is for the good of God?!?!
lol ok
Posted on 7/20/26 at 4:38 pm to PUB
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And Sharia Law will rule within a decade. Do yourself a favor and learn how to pray in a mosque and to Allah during the day.
No, I don’t think I will. inshallah. Lololol
Posted on 7/20/26 at 4:38 pm to Covingtontiger77
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Thought Allah would protect them and lead them to Death to America and Israel
Because Islam is a false religion and Allah is a false god.
Posted on 7/20/26 at 4:41 pm to Covingtontiger77
"...that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous."
Matthew 5:45
Matthew 5:45
This post was edited on 7/20/26 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 7/20/26 at 4:41 pm to BoarEd
quote:Except Christians aren't bombing, killing, and raping each other in the name of Jesus.
This is a dumb post. You could say the same for any God, including the Christian God.
Posted on 7/20/26 at 4:41 pm to Covingtontiger77
"Allah" exist! His name is Jesus. Islam is an attempt by evil to supplant Christianity. It's easy to see. Pretty much all of Islam is opposite/opposes that of Christianity.
Posted on 7/20/26 at 4:43 pm to FooManChoo
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God is sovereign over all things, including the sin of other men, for the good of Christ’s Church (His people) and for God’s own glory. He raises some men up for destruction while others for salvation.
1 hundo.
Posted on 7/20/26 at 4:45 pm to theballguy
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God allows the sun to shine on the good AND the wicked
Yup
Matt 5:45
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so that you may be children of your Father in heaven. For he causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous
Posted on 7/20/26 at 4:45 pm to Darth_Vader
—-and how about the 200yrs of slavery in the America built on Christian values?
This post was edited on 7/20/26 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 7/20/26 at 4:45 pm to Jake88
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You could say this for Judaism too. Why did God let them be enslaved or subject them to the holocaust?
God warned His chosen people the Jews many times through His prophets. He gave them every chance to repent and turn to Him. But they didn't so God had to punish them just as He warned He would in scripture. Otherwise, God would be a liar.
Posted on 7/20/26 at 4:49 pm to The_Duke
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and how about the 200yrs of slavery in the America built on Christian values?
What about 620,000 killed in action? Wiped out a generation of men. That's Divine Judgement.
Posted on 7/20/26 at 5:54 pm to lake chuck fan
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"Allah" exist! His name is Jesus. Islam is an attempt by evil to supplant Christianity. It's easy to see. Pretty much all of Islam is opposite/opposes that of Christianity.
Their end times prophecies are a counterfeit of Christian end times as well. That's why Islam will be the end times religion of the antichrist after all Christians are raptured.
Posted on 7/21/26 at 9:58 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:I can tell you're grasping for straws on this, but whatever one might call it, the question is what the Quran is talking about, and it's not talking about established Scripture of the Jews and Christians.
Think, Foo, think…what do you call something a rabbi and a scribe would write down with their hand and claim it is from God?
The passage actually starts in verse 75, where a party of individuals (rabbis) in Medina were hearing the words of God and distorting them. This wasn't speaking to the Jews as a whole, or the Torah, but of the rabbis in Medina.
Verses 76 and 77 further flesh this out, talking about the hypocrisy of those Jewish leaders who withhold information, not write new Scriptures or "twist" the existing Scriptures.
Verse 78 moves on to the Jewish laypeople who don't actually know their Scriptures but believe what they've been told by those Jewish leaders (wishful thinking, as it is called).
That leads us to the verse in question: verse 79. It's condemning the rabbi's or other leaders that write or re-write the Scriptures with their own commentaries, laws, and opinions that are not part of the established Scriptures, and are leading the lay people astray for their own profit.
Even verses 80 through 82 confirm this by demonstrating a false teaching of limited punishment that the Jewish leaders were teaching and saying was from God.
The context is about Jewish leaders during the time of Muhammad, not the Torah, itself, or the Christian Bible. So no, it's not talking about the Torah/Bible was corrupted at the time of Muhammad. It's condemning Jewish leaders who misuse or misinterpret God's word for the sake of their own gain, and to mislead others.
quote:See above. That verse doesn't say that the Scriptures are either unknown or unknowable, or that they were corrupted so that Jews, Christians, or Muslims at that time did't know what they were or what they said. Try again.
Except for the part about the Jewish scribes and rabbis writing false scriptures.
quote:Here's surah 2:79. Show me where it says the "people of the book" were "corrupting the scriptures":
It calls them all “people of the book”. Surah 2:79 refers to people of the book corrupting the scriptures. Christians were described as people of the book. Comprende?
"So woe to those who distort the Scripture with their own hands then say, “This is from Allah”—seeking a fleeting gain! So woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they have earned." LINK
quote:Any of them.
Which Christian scripture does it refer to? Codex Vaticanus? Codex sinaiticus?
That's like saying Protestants can't agree on what the Bible is because they have different translations of it (ESV vs. KJV vs. NIV, and so on). Vaticanus and Sinaiticus don't differ dramatically from one another, and especially not on theology.
What these examples point to, though, are much earlier examples of known biblical manuscripts that are substantively the same as the Bibles people have today without "corruption" about what it says regarding the Trinity, the deity of Christ, the crucifixion of Jesus, and His resurrection, which Muslims would point to today and say that the Bible was corrupted. This is the point of the Islamic Dilemma: Muslims can't show that the Bible was corrupted after the Quran was written (because it is substantively the same as before the Quran was written), and the Quran gives authority and trust to the Bible that it was aware of at that time. So if the Quran is right (that we should go to the Bible for truth), then it's wrong, because the Bible contradicts the Quran.
quote:By the time the Quran was written, the Christian canon was well agreed upon. The only real and meaningful exception was the Peshitta, that Muslims may have encountered around that time, and which excluded some books that the rest of Christianity affirmed. What the Peshitta didn't exclude, though, were the core books related to the discussion, of the gospels and the Pauline epistles, that most of the doctrines about the Trinity and so on that Muslims reject are primarily supported from. So even if I granted that Muhammad's view of the "gospels" was from the Peshitta, it was still the same "gospel" that the rest of Christianity believed.
It is pure stupidity for you to assume “the gospel” specifically refers to the Nicene Christian canon of the Roman Empire.
And if for some reason Muhammad was only aware of some weird sect that rejected everything but the gospel of Thomas, then that only further hits against Islam, because it means the Quran was ignorant of what Christians actually believed, and therefore it wasn't a revelation from God.
quote:You're just as ignorant of Islam as you are of Christianity, if not moreso. Take the 'L'
It clearly did not. You’re just making shite up, and it’s sad.
quote:I doubt Muhammad and the writers of the Quran had access to the written Christian Bible at all, but likely heard stories from traders and travelers passing through. They get key facts from the Bible wrong in the Quran.
Obviously the writers of the Quran had access to Christian gospels that were not accepted as authoritative by Roman Catholic orthodoxy.
While you're trying to pick nits here, it doesn't actually matter to the argument I'm making, but further strengthens it. Islam's own holy book contradicts itself so glaringly that it discredits the whole religion.
Posted on 7/21/26 at 10:06 am to Kolbysfan
quote:In the context of what Jesus said, He was referring to being sinless. Only God is without sin, so therefore only God is good. Jesus is God, and Jesus is sinless, and therefore Jesus is good.
So Jesus says (allegedly) that no one is good but God ( who some Christian’s believe is God).
quote:That's not what was said. What was said is that whatever happens to us in this life (what we perceive as good or bad) is ultimately for our good or benefit if we belong to Jesus by faith, because trials (the "bad" things) are intended for our spiritual growth and dependence upon our Creator and Savior. Trials are the refining fire that burns away the impurities in us and makes us more spiritually pure.
And whatever bad happens in your life is for the good of God?!?!
In addition to all things being for the good of Christ's people, they are also for God's glory. He is Creator of all things and is owed worship and praise for who He is. We are sinners and traitors against the high King of the universe, and therefore each one of us deserves to be destroyed. Whether God destroys a guilty sinner or He forgives and saves one through Jesus' death on the cross, He deserves glory in all things. So, all things are done for His glory, as the only perfect God over all creation.
Posted on 7/21/26 at 10:11 am to Covingtontiger77
That was a large blast
Posted on 7/21/26 at 10:30 am to Covingtontiger77
quote:to be fair this is exactly how many Christians lost their faith, especially in the aoviet union and Armenian genocide. If God is real and I have been a faithful servant why is he allowing these atrocities to happen? Of course we know as the story of job tells us, that life isn’t always fair or pleasant, but Gods will shall be done, but having said all that your initial argument against Islam doesn’t have much to stand on.
If Allah exists, why is the ISLAMIC Republic of Iran getting destroyed by INFIDELS?
Posted on 7/21/26 at 12:01 pm to Covingtontiger77
Why start this thread?
Posted on 7/21/26 at 1:02 pm to BoarEd
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This is a dumb post. You could say the same for any God, including the Christian God.
Same God actually.
Allah won't protect them just like God will give your child cancer.
It's all BS.
Posted on 7/21/26 at 1:14 pm to dgnx6
Allah favors the House of Al Saud and its Tribal Cousins around the Persian Gulf, not Persians
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