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re: I’d Like to Hear Some Arguments Why the ID of the Whistleblower is Necessary

Posted on 11/25/19 at 6:18 am to
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37663 posts
Posted on 11/25/19 at 6:18 am to
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Discussed this at length with a colleague whilst tailgating this weekend.


You’re doing it wrong
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
43073 posts
Posted on 11/25/19 at 6:27 am to
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What if it's arson? Would it be a good idea to interview the person who first saw the fire if the fire is learned to be Arson?




/\ THIS /\ is the perfect answer to the question of "why do we need the ID and cross examination of the "wb" " !!!!

I am ashamed that I didn't;t think of this analogy before = PERFECT :bow:
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
43073 posts
Posted on 11/25/19 at 6:33 am to
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If it comes to a trial in the senate


They could easily enforce the "no hear-say" rule ==== You can only testify to what you actually saw and heard relative to the particular issue at hand.

What someone else says they heard - or what the 3rd person said he "felt" about whet he heard is total absurdity - that that up on Twitter. GTFO of a fact-seeking discussion.

WHO does Schiff have who can meet that test.

SENATE

- the Trial will come to order - Prosecution - present your first witness.

- Schiff - we do not have anyone who has any direct evidence, but we do have a bunch of . . . . . . .

NOT GUILTY - DISMISSED - Sgt at arms - put Schiff under arrest.
Posted by Welwood
Florida
Member since Oct 2017
327 posts
Posted on 11/25/19 at 6:58 am to
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Eric Ciaramella



Yes, I agree....if it's not him why hasn't he
come forward to deny it?
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
71632 posts
Posted on 11/25/19 at 8:32 am to
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Due process is the Fifth Amendment.

Plus, there is no danger of being deprived of life, liberty or property with a Senate trial.


This is where we point and laugh. If the senate is dumb enough to not allow basic rules like that in the trial, you'll have a revolt.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
51962 posts
Posted on 11/25/19 at 9:14 am to
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Seems to me it’s completely irrelevant in this context. All he/she did was highlight a potentially illegal phone call


Nothing in the phone call was illegal. That alone should bring up questions as to who the WB is and why they felt the need make such a claim.

The WB did not even have first hand (nor even second-hand knowledge) of the call. Hearsay of hearsay is not "evidence", it's gossip. Someone trying to make such an official claim (especially one that brings a Presidency near Impeachment charges) on something so specious needs to be outed so we can find out why they did this.

There is no legal requirement that the WB's identity remain secret. Period. Combine that with the whole foundation of the complaint being false to begin with and that the whistleblower lied on his complaint about not being in contact with any member of Congress nor their staff prior to filing it and we come up with the very real probability that the filing itself was a crime (thus the filer is outed).

And that doesn't even begin to get into the potential Due Process violation should this go to the Senate (but I would argue that going to an actual Impeachment Inquiry should be enough to trigger Due Process since the House can Impeach even though they alone do not have the ability to remove a President).
This post was edited on 11/25/19 at 9:17 am
Posted by CleverUserName
Member since Oct 2016
12889 posts
Posted on 11/25/19 at 9:47 am to
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If I work for a government agency and witness fraud, waste or abuse by a government employee and alert the inspector general, they will be the one accusing him, not me.


What does this have to do with the discussion at hand? He didn’t “witness” a single thing. Nothing. Zilch.
Posted by PaperTiger
Ruston, LA
Member since Feb 2015
23051 posts
Posted on 11/25/19 at 10:39 am to
I heard a stat somewhere that said there were 8 whistle blowers during the Obama administration and all 8 were arrested.

If that's true, then, cant we simply play by the same set of rules? Politicians shouldnt be allowed to play by 2 different sets depending on what side they are on.

This post was edited on 11/25/19 at 10:46 am
Posted by GeeOH
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2013
13376 posts
Posted on 11/25/19 at 10:42 am to
To testify before the person he accused.
Hes 3rd party information, either throw it out or he must testify.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
53031 posts
Posted on 11/25/19 at 10:42 am to
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I’d Like to Hear Some Arguments Why the ID of the Whistleblower is Necessary


Eric Ciaramella is a prominent behind the scenes handler for the Democrat Party. He was part of the Obama White House, attends meetings and has multiple pictures with THE top Democrats in American Government.

And you don't see why knowing who this guy is, is relevant?
Posted by MissWalkOn
Member since Nov 2019
217 posts
Posted on 11/25/19 at 10:44 am to
The accused has a right to confront their accuser

It’s patently unfair to keep it secret. What stops any partisan whacko from coming out with bullcrap under the protection of some “whistleblower” protection!?
Posted by Crow Pie
Neuro ICU - Tulane Med Center
Member since Feb 2010
25421 posts
Posted on 11/25/19 at 10:47 am to
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You can’t be this stupid. I refuse to believe you can be this stupid.
Bad news...the OP is this stupid.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112714 posts
Posted on 11/25/19 at 11:03 am to
What if the WB is Hunter Biden? What if the WB is Schiff's wife? The WB is probably a Dem party hack.
Posted by 56lsu
jackson mich
Member since Dec 2005
7441 posts
Posted on 11/25/19 at 11:18 am to
especially if the are vermin.
Posted by griswold
Member since Oct 2009
4043 posts
Posted on 11/25/19 at 1:03 pm to
I have a whistleblower that says you got Hillary Clinton pregnant. Now despite the fact that she’s not pregnant doesn’t matter. We’re going to need to have you removed from whatever job you have and send you packing... Oh, who’s the whistle blower? Sorry that’s confidential, but it may be your wife’s boyfriend.
Posted by Cali 4 LSU
GEAUX TIGERS!
Member since Sep 2007
6507 posts
Posted on 11/25/19 at 7:42 pm to
quote:

I heard a stat somewhere that said there were 8 whistle blowers during the Obama administration and all 8 were arrested.

If that's true, then, cant we simply play by the same set of rules? Politicians shouldnt be allowed to play by 2 different sets depending on what side they are on.


Doesn't matter. The OP did not want an answer.
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