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re: I would like all the "pot ain't nuthin" proponents to respond to this study
Posted on 10/7/14 at 1:18 pm to Tigerlaff
Posted on 10/7/14 at 1:18 pm to Tigerlaff
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Pot is a lot like alcohol. It can have negative consequences and probably shouldn't be used by teens at all.
That being said, I'm not prepared to spend tax money to send guys with m-16s to your house to stop you from ingesting a plant that makes you giggly and hungry.
Have an upvote
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 1:19 pm to MSMHater
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But the insomnia and appetite disturbance is VERY prevelent for me.
Insomnia and moodiness were the only problems I had when I quit after 15 years of being a pretty heavy pot smoker. Neither lasted more than a week or so though.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 1:27 pm to udtiger
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I would like all the "pot ain't nuthin" proponents to respond to this study
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LINK
You link to an article, not a study.
Have YOU read the study?
Posted on 10/7/14 at 1:37 pm to a want
When was the last time someone shite themselves do to a marijuana detox?
never
how often do people lose bodily functions from withdrawal from alcohol or heroin?
All the time
Fact is weed creates no chemical dependence unlike heroin, crank, crack, nicotine, alcohol, processed sugars and carbohydrates, and caffeine.
Someone may think they need marijuana but their body does not.
never
how often do people lose bodily functions from withdrawal from alcohol or heroin?
All the time
Fact is weed creates no chemical dependence unlike heroin, crank, crack, nicotine, alcohol, processed sugars and carbohydrates, and caffeine.
Someone may think they need marijuana but their body does not.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 1:54 pm to MSMHater
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anxiety, insomnia, appetite disturbance and depression
pretty much lists the reasons why i started.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 1:55 pm to udtiger
Well, for starters, I'd like to see the paper itself. Not a hysterical Daily Fail summary.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 2:49 pm to Iosh
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Well, for starters, I'd like to see the paper itself. Not a hysterical Daily Fail summary.
Exactly. He says respond to this study.....and posts an article but not the actual study. 0% chance he has read the study ftr.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 2:56 pm to Tigerlaff
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Pot is a lot like alcohol. It can have negative consequences and probably shouldn't be used by teens at all.
That being said, I'm not prepared to spend tax money to send guys with m-16s to your house to stop you from ingesting a plant that makes you giggly and hungry.
great summary. +1
Posted on 10/7/14 at 3:04 pm to Iosh
Nevermind, I found it myself. And I'm bored.
LINK
It's not an actual study. It's just a literature review. Basically it takes every study from the past 20 years that has said a bad thing about cannabis and presents its conclusions as fact.
It does so regardless of whether the underlying study is an outlier. This is the case with the Swedish schizophrenia study, whose risk factors have never come close to being replicated by any subsequent analysis.
It does so regardless of whether the underlying study was immediately and convincingly countered, as with the Meier IQ study of the Dunedin cohort, which was totally explained by socioeconomic confounding.
It does so regardless of whether there is massive contradictory evidence, as with the section on respiratory cancer. It's pretty far from "inconsistent results," as characterized in the paper. There isn't a single study out there that has shown a link after controlling for tobacco. (Oddly, he cites numerous papers by Zhang and Morgenstern, but not their most recent meta-analysis done for the Int'l Lung Cancer Consortium just this year. Read the abstract and guess why not.)
It does so regardless of whether the underlying study is just plain horseshite, of which there is no shortage of examples when drug warriors have the pursestrings. Off the bat, I recognize bad neuroimaging studies with no behavioral endpoint (I love neo-phrenology!), French health network datamining (had a stroke less than a month after you smoked? congrats, you're in a shitty paper!), and oh, Lord, the scary, scary "associations." Why don't these Puritans ever go whole hog? Marijuana is almost definitely "associated" with murder, in the sense that murderers probably have a higher rate of cannabis use than the general population. Just bring back Reefer Madness. You know you want to.
In conclusion:
LINK
It's not an actual study. It's just a literature review. Basically it takes every study from the past 20 years that has said a bad thing about cannabis and presents its conclusions as fact.
It does so regardless of whether the underlying study is an outlier. This is the case with the Swedish schizophrenia study, whose risk factors have never come close to being replicated by any subsequent analysis.
It does so regardless of whether the underlying study was immediately and convincingly countered, as with the Meier IQ study of the Dunedin cohort, which was totally explained by socioeconomic confounding.
It does so regardless of whether there is massive contradictory evidence, as with the section on respiratory cancer. It's pretty far from "inconsistent results," as characterized in the paper. There isn't a single study out there that has shown a link after controlling for tobacco. (Oddly, he cites numerous papers by Zhang and Morgenstern, but not their most recent meta-analysis done for the Int'l Lung Cancer Consortium just this year. Read the abstract and guess why not.)
It does so regardless of whether the underlying study is just plain horseshite, of which there is no shortage of examples when drug warriors have the pursestrings. Off the bat, I recognize bad neuroimaging studies with no behavioral endpoint (I love neo-phrenology!), French health network datamining (had a stroke less than a month after you smoked? congrats, you're in a shitty paper!), and oh, Lord, the scary, scary "associations." Why don't these Puritans ever go whole hog? Marijuana is almost definitely "associated" with murder, in the sense that murderers probably have a higher rate of cannabis use than the general population. Just bring back Reefer Madness. You know you want to.
In conclusion:
This post was edited on 10/7/14 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 10/7/14 at 3:12 pm to Iosh
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It's not an actual study. It's just a literature review. Basically it takes every study from the past 20 years that has said a bad thing about cannabis and presents its conclusions as fact.
Yeah definitive is not a statement that should be used very often, if ever, in science.
And I hate when I do this because the message should treated as independently as possible of the messenger; however, I can't help be skeptical of a professor of addiction policy because of the possible politicalization.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 3:16 pm to Iosh
This is extremely frustrating...it's dishonest...and it gets press and most people will accept it as a factual, conclusive, unassailable scientific study. 
Posted on 10/7/14 at 3:29 pm to Iosh
You're conclusion is dead on. Weed is not only not bad for you, when used correctly it has tremendous health benefits.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 3:36 pm to JuiceTerry
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Weed is not only not bad for you, when used correctly it has tremendous health benefits.
This should be qualified by saying if it's not smoked.
There are no redeeming benefits to inhaling anything during the burning process.
Even though I love to.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 3:39 pm to Paluka
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. I've seen some guys smoke pot for the first time (nothing added either) and become psychotic and violent.
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:Posted on 10/7/14 at 3:42 pm to udtiger
1 out of 6 teenagers would find something to ruin their lives with.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 3:51 pm to udtiger
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One in six teenagers who regularly smoke the drug become dependent
So 1 in 6 enjoy it, and continue to smoke it. Explain the other 5 since it's as addictive as heroin. According to drugabuse.gov a quarter of heroin users become addicted. LINK
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It doubles risk of developing psychotic disorders, including schizophrenia
Correlation doesn't imply causation. Something the drug warriors seem to never understand.
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Heavy use in adolescence appears to impair intellectual development
OK
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Driving after smoking cannabis doubles risk of having a car crash
THC stays in the system well after you are impaired. I'm not saying to get stoned and hit the highway, but the methodology makes the claim dubious, at best. Also, many teens who smoke MJ are the type that are more inclined to engage in risky behavior, in general (such as speeding or drinking and driving). How many of these kids also happened to be drunk?
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Study's author said: 'If cannabis is not addictive then neither is heroin'
Laughable on it's face, but I'm glad he made that claim because most people will now dismiss the entire 'study' because of it. He shot his load too early.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 4:02 pm to Paluka
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I've seen some guys smoke pot for the first time (nothing added either) and become psychotic and violent.
Yeah. You just have psychotic and violent friends.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 4:07 pm to udtiger
Two things... if it's addictive and studies show about 40% of the American population have tried it, you'd need a pot farm the size of Mexico to keep up with the demand.
And besides, Kim Jong Un is addicted to Swiss Cheese. I don't see anyone banning that.
And besides, Kim Jong Un is addicted to Swiss Cheese. I don't see anyone banning that.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 4:59 pm to udtiger
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One in six teenagers who regularly smoke the drug become dependent
It doubles risk of developing psychotic disorders, including schizophrenia
Heavy use in adolescence appears to impair intellectual development
Driving after smoking cannabis doubles risk of having a car crash
Study's author said: 'If cannabis is not addictive then neither is heroin'
TIA
Busy-Body.....
Posted on 10/7/14 at 5:04 pm to udtiger
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Study's author said: 'If cannabis is not addictive then neither is heroin'
This quote is BS, weed is not addictive and should never be compared to heroin, but weed isn't as harmless as people make it out to be. Compared to most drugs it is relatively harmless though.
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