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re: I would be in favor of Trump pulling us out of NATO. What are your thoughts?

Posted on 2/7/25 at 9:13 am to
Posted by YipSkiddlyDooo
Member since Apr 2013
3786 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 9:13 am to
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There is zero justification for continued US involvement in NATO. None.


Sure there is. We must continue to enrich our weapons system manufacturers by forcing other countries to buy their shite…
Posted by Keltic Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2006
21552 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 9:14 am to
I'd be more interested in getting us out of the UN. It is almost openly acknowledged that the UN as a whole is anti USA. Let's get out & sell the building ...any guess how much that prime NYC property is worth?
Posted by oldskule
Down South
Member since Mar 2016
23242 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 9:14 am to
I would leave that alone for now.....bigger things to get done.
Posted by BayouBlitz
Member since Aug 2007
18126 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 9:17 am to
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Hell yes. NATO only exists to create conflict and tension. It does nobody any good.


Tell that to the nations that Putin hasn't invaded.

NATO is undefeated. Seems to be working just fine.
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
92651 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 9:17 am to
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I'd reduce US funding for NATO to match the lowest member contribution. Refuse to increase funding until every single member increases their funding based on what was promised, including backpay for decades of underfunding.


This is the way
Posted by jcaz
Laffy
Member since Aug 2014
18795 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 9:18 am to
We need to massively cut defense spending. This is one way.
Posted by alphaandomega
Tuscaloosa-Here to Serve
Member since Aug 2012
16705 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 9:21 am to
I would rather stay in NATO and reform it.

100% in favor of withdrawing from the UN. And without our funding it would collapse.
Posted by BarberitosDawg
Lee County Florida across causeway
Member since Oct 2013
13193 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 9:34 am to
He can however cut US funding and we can watch it crumble into oblivion.
Posted by Granola
Member since Jan 2024
1900 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 9:35 am to
The Germans have paid nothing into NATO. Canada underfunds as well
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
26364 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 9:38 am to
quote:

quote:
I'd reduce US funding for NATO to match the lowest member contribution. Refuse to increase funding until every single member increases their funding based on what was promised, including backpay for decades of underfunding.


This is the way


Y'all seem to be confused about how NATO works. The 2% GDP "contribution" isn't countries paying NATO this amount. That is how much each country is committing to their OWN defense budgets.

The real discussion, if you want to talk about NATO funding, is the shared common costs. The US contributes roughly 15% of the shared costs of NATO Operations. The most recent report shows this amount is roughly $567M (out of our $816 Billion in defense spending).

The US and Germany each cover 16% of the NATO budget. United Kingdom and France cover 11% each. Italy 9%, Canada 7%, Spain 6%. Everyone else under 5%.
Posted by Gaspergou202
Metairie, LA
Member since Jun 2016
14259 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 9:38 am to
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I’d be against . But I’d make concessions on national security to Russia and get us back to peaceful coexistence. I would REFORM NATO not abolish it. And clarify its non expansionist mission.


Russia under Putin is trying to aggressively reconquer its former imperialist and Soviet boundaries.

Their aggression has nothing to do with NATO expansion.

NATO is not trying to expand like Russia is. Russia’s post Soviet conquest include Georgia,Chechnya, and two Ukrainian invasions. NATO expands by allowing nations who voluntarily join like Sweden and Finland.

Russia is absolutely at fault in this situation. But having said that, the Russian Federation is no longer an immediate threat to Western Europe like the Warsaw Pact was.

We should leave NATO.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
35924 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 9:40 am to
No way. The Italians are supplying the hookers for the Gaza project. Did anyone clear this with boys in Naples or Palermo as well as those other guys whose name starts with the letter after M?
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
21373 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 9:41 am to
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Tell that to the nations that Putin hasn't invaded.

NATO is undefeated. Seems to be working just fine.


Plenty of non-NATO nations around Russia that have been peaceful.

The irony in your post is the biggest reason for the Ukraine/Russia war was due to the actions and existence of NATO.

Now is it possible the war would have still happened w/out NATO? Maybe. We dont know why Ukraine started murdering, torturing and abusing ethnic russian regions of ukraine. Odds are, USA/NATO had a role in ukraine doing that since we installed their current government.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
86045 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 9:41 am to
100%


Posted by bamalee
Member since Jan 2009
1269 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 9:42 am to
Georgia is in their sphere to control, just like Mexico and Canada for us.. Georgia and Ukraine should get over it, Russia is the dominate dude on their block. People forget, that NATO bombed Serbia or Yogoslavia for months, so Nato in certain parts of eastern Europe is a bad actor.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
86045 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 9:43 am to
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NATO is undefeated. Seems to be working just fine.




Well they didn't win in Afghanistan you fricking retard.
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
21394 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 9:44 am to
Yes. We need to worry about our hemisphere, which Trump is doing with the attention to Greenland and Panama. Let the EU and NATO worry about their side. We've paid their way king enough. This isn't post WWII anymore.
The world's changed, plus we can no longer afford to pay their way.
Posted by Jenstu
Member since May 2023
18 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 9:45 am to
Where ever the UN is you can beat a genocide is going to happen
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
10365 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 10:00 am to
NATO has done nothing but push us closer to war with Russia. We get no benefit, so we should withdraw.

After we saved all their asses in WW2 and since we have the only decent military, NATO countries should be paying us to be a member. We don't need them. They need us and need to start acting like it.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35760 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 10:01 am to
quote:

I would be in favor of Trump pulling us out of NATO.

He can't do so unilaterally, so its moot.
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