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re: "I Went to the Hospital with chest pains. The reality in the ER was interesting..."
Posted on 1/18/23 at 1:14 pm to onmymedicalgrind
Posted on 1/18/23 at 1:14 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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This x 1000.
This anecdote's effectiveness as anti-vaxx prop really hinges on the reader's unfamiliarity with this. The reader is invited to draw the inference that the hospital has a very high index of suspicion of vaccine-related injury by the fact that the author is observing multiple people get asked the question, but if you've worked in an emergency room and you're the patient there for chest pain observing that, you're probably thinking "that's a checklist-driven question" if you're even thinking about it all.
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Posted on 1/18/23 at 1:15 pm to Flats
It's a relic question to most people who've been vaccinated before, but people are still being newly vaccinated. Lots of relic questions exist.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 1:17 pm to Liberator
I have costochondritis and at least in my case, the pain does not radiate to my arms. Only rib cage area front and back
Posted on 1/18/23 at 1:18 pm to TigerDoc
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because it's the sort of question that's clinically meaningful
That's my question that the retard can't grasp: why is it clinically meaningful?
I go to the ER and two years ago I got a Pfizer shot, my twin brother goes and two years ago he got a J&J shot. What will they do differently?
Posted on 1/18/23 at 1:19 pm to Liberator
seems to imply that only those presenting with cardiac symptoms were asked about the vaccine but he doesn't explicitly say this (that I see). I mean... seems like they would ask EVERYONE just to avoid this type of suspicion (regardless of their intentions). And they do, in my experience. My PCP recently retired and I was trying to find a new one. "Doctor shopped" until 1 didn't ask my "vaccination" status. thankfully only took 3 tries.
Regardless.... I'm happy I'm not vaccinated.
Regardless.... I'm happy I'm not vaccinated.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 1:25 pm to Flats
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"Which vaccine" only makes sense if it's also a relic question OR there are possible/probable long term health effects of the vaccine(s) and they vary according to which one you took.
It makes sense if you are obtaining a thorough and complete medical history. They are different vaccines with different mechanisms and different side effect profiles. Just like different blood pressure medications have different mechanisms with different side effect profiles. This is not some "gotcha" or sinister plot implied in the OP.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 1:26 pm to Flats
ER docs and people who know more about vaccine injuries than I do may have a more sophisticated answer than I do, who don't work in that setting or with those populations, but I suspect it's probably not all that meaningful for making the vast majority of clinical decisions at this point, but there's an inertia to getting this sorts of checklist-driven assessment into clinical care. Once they get in for some clinical utility, they often stay past their point of clinical utility and require some committee decision to get it removed. Not that there isn't utility to this in the sense that it's more relevant to newly-vaccinated people, but the protocol may not be so sensitive to distinguish. It's probably something simpler like "if yes [to "have you been vaccinated for COVID?"] then ask "which vaccine?".
Keep in mind too, that are a lot of bad-faith anecdotes out there and you might want to take a look at the twitter feed this came from to give you a sense of the other material it's sharing.
Keep in mind too, that are a lot of bad-faith anecdotes out there and you might want to take a look at the twitter feed this came from to give you a sense of the other material it's sharing.
This post was edited on 1/18/23 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 1/18/23 at 1:29 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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It makes sense if you are obtaining a thorough and complete medical history. They are different vaccines with different mechanisms and different side effect profiles.
It makes sense if there are different long term side effect profiles.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 1:34 pm to Flats
Yeah, I think the reader of the piece is being invited to make that inference, but there are better inferences. If you've got a high index of suspicion that the medical establishment is hiding knowledge of harms, this will definitely reinforce those priors.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 1:38 pm to onmymedicalgrind
quote:I can't believe you believe this. Your reaction to Flats' questions is rather bizarre.
They want to know which vaccine you took for the same reason they want to know which blood pressure medication you are on.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 1:41 pm to AlxTgr
He probably does believe it. IMO most medical practitioners would consider it to be a meaningful question, but where disagreements among practitioners often occur over asking such questions is over comprehensiveness vs. efficiency of care. His point was that it's a meaningful question in the comprehensive sense.
The alarmist inference to make is "they would NEVER ask this unless they knew of some long-term harm" and that's definitely an inference, but again not as good as others.
The alarmist inference to make is "they would NEVER ask this unless they knew of some long-term harm" and that's definitely an inference, but again not as good as others.
This post was edited on 1/18/23 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 1/18/23 at 1:46 pm to ibldprplgld
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Now I’m concerned it may have caused me cardiovascular damage.
This story is not revealing of anything.
It is not unusual for an emergency room practitioner to ask about your covid vaccine history. The info goes into your medical record. A lot of what they see on a daily basis is related to viral illness.
A lot of gym baws get costochondritis. The fly machine used to cause me similar pain.
This post was edited on 1/18/23 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 1/18/23 at 1:51 pm to EKG
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While that diagnosis certainly seems possible (rib cartilage injuries aren’t freakishly unusual) ….
Unless there was an event that triggered the “rib injury” I don’t buy that diagnosis for a minute.
I think the shots are causing erratic cardiac events that are unique patient to patient and as a result you are seeing “tell them something to get them out of here they aren’t dying right now” diagnosis from doctors who don’t know exactly what’s wrong or have any idea how to treat these events because the health “experts” who should be studying and providing them guidance are still pretending this isn’t happening.
This post was edited on 1/18/23 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 1/18/23 at 1:59 pm to TigerDoc
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If you've got a high index of suspicion that the medical establishment is hiding knowledge of harms,
I don't think that at all. I have a high index of suspicion that they don't know, just like they haven't known a lot of things throughout this episode, and they're loathe to admit it for some reason.
Now it wouldn't surprise me a bit if the manufacturers hid something, but I see no reason for docs to do so.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 2:00 pm to Flats
quote:It very likely is a relic question.
"Which vaccine" only makes sense if it's also a relic question OR there are possible/probable long term health effects of the vaccine(s) and they vary according to which one you took.
But it might also relate to CMS reimbursement, either implied or in fact, or there could be an ongoing study +/- associated funding.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 2:02 pm to AlxTgr
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I can't believe you believe this. Your reaction to Flats' questions is rather bizarre.
You don't see the parallel between asking what medication a person is currently taking and asking which brand of shot they got two years ago? Come on, man!
Posted on 1/18/23 at 2:08 pm to Flats
That could very well be part of it to ask as part of some post-approval monitoring of a novel vaccine. I think medical people and anxious laypeople will have a different set of priors on that. It's routine with drugs and vaccines and the question for all I know could be part of some higher-level-imposed mandate or even at the vaccine-manufacturer level, but I would index suspicion there based on comparison to existing standards, expert recs, etc. If they're asking for some extra level of scrutiny it's fair to ask why. If they are doing it, though, there are potential non-nefarious explanations (as opposed to underreported-harm concerns) like differences for worldwide respiratory pandemics vs. vaccines only indicated for subpopulations of people (like HPV vaccine, shingles, etc.).
This post was edited on 1/18/23 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 1/18/23 at 2:13 pm to Liberator
I get really bad chest pains sometimes, it's a little bit scary, but I can drink a carbonated water really fast, and it will make me burp. The pain goes right away, instantly.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 2:16 pm to Liberator
All political/vaccine innuendos removed, I simply Pray that you are eased of your pain, and that you have no serious health concerns !
Posted on 1/18/23 at 2:17 pm to tide06
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the health “experts” who should be studying and providing them guidance are still pretending this isn’t happening.
40-50% of doctors are Republicans. 
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