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I suppose we should discuss "Fire and Fury" by Michael Wolff
Posted on 1/4/18 at 7:12 am
Posted on 1/4/18 at 7:12 am
I read the excerpt last night and it's fairly damaging IMO. Tucker Carlson said last night that he knows Wolff and Wolff wouldn't report things that aren't true. Wolff apparently has hundreds of hours of tapes (on the record) backing up everything he's written.
The question I ask is "why?" Why is Donald Trump so fricking needy that he rats on himself and gives access to liberals who despise him? Why does he confide in Maggie fricking Haberman and Michael fricking Wolff?
Lots of great leaders are wildly idiosyncratic and aloof - Churchill and Reagan to name just two. If you want to include Berlusconi you could include him as well.
But why on earth would you invite these cretins into your world unnecessarily? It's Trump's greatest flaw.
The question I ask is "why?" Why is Donald Trump so fricking needy that he rats on himself and gives access to liberals who despise him? Why does he confide in Maggie fricking Haberman and Michael fricking Wolff?
Lots of great leaders are wildly idiosyncratic and aloof - Churchill and Reagan to name just two. If you want to include Berlusconi you could include him as well.
But why on earth would you invite these cretins into your world unnecessarily? It's Trump's greatest flaw.
This post was edited on 1/4/18 at 7:16 am
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Posted on 1/4/18 at 7:15 am to SirWinston
Also, I wouldn't mind diving deeper into some of the anecdotes from the book, such as "nobody thought Trump would win" and that Trump himself was shocked and dismayed when the results started turning on election night. Supposedly he did not want to be President.
I don't see how this is possible - his brand was going to be in tatters if he had lost. The estimates of his new DC hotel were brutal had he lost - his debt was almost unmanageable and he'd surely have had to declare bankruptcy on it given how it would have been boycotted had Hillary won. Ditto for Ivanka - her clothing line suffered a MAJOR blow that would have been worse had Trump lost. It would have all been for not had Trump not won the election. So I find it really hard to believe that competitors like Trump and Ivanka WANTED to lose the election.
I think Wolff takes a ton of liberties. But the anecdotal stuff like the fighting with Melania and the reclusive behavior by Trump is hard to spin (not that it ultimately matters in how he performs as President).
I don't see how this is possible - his brand was going to be in tatters if he had lost. The estimates of his new DC hotel were brutal had he lost - his debt was almost unmanageable and he'd surely have had to declare bankruptcy on it given how it would have been boycotted had Hillary won. Ditto for Ivanka - her clothing line suffered a MAJOR blow that would have been worse had Trump lost. It would have all been for not had Trump not won the election. So I find it really hard to believe that competitors like Trump and Ivanka WANTED to lose the election.
I think Wolff takes a ton of liberties. But the anecdotal stuff like the fighting with Melania and the reclusive behavior by Trump is hard to spin (not that it ultimately matters in how he performs as President).
This post was edited on 1/4/18 at 7:17 am
Posted on 1/4/18 at 7:17 am to SirWinston
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In August, when he was trailing Hillary Clinton by more than 12 points, he couldn’t conjure even a far-fetched scenario for achieving an electoral victory.
He never trailed by 12 points, fake polls fake book
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Posted on 1/4/18 at 7:19 am to SirWinston
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his brand was going to be in tatters if he had lost.
What? He probably would have been more famous than ever.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 7:20 am to SirWinston
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I suppose we should discuss "Fire and Fury" by Michael Wolff
Posted on 1/4/18 at 7:21 am to Freder
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What? He probably would have been more famous than ever.
The boycotts of Ivanka's line would have still happened.
Trump's DC hotel (which he is heavily invested in, and likely invested in unfavorably from what I understand) would have been a disaster. Only the foreigners filling it every night to curry favor has made it the smashing success it has become, and that only happens if he's POTUS.
The boycotts of Trump properties throughout North America would have still happened.
The only "plus" is that Trump would have returned to his show and could have launched a media network.
Reality TV days are over IMO and "Apprentice" would have been a dud after maybe the first year back. And who knows about a news network - that's no guarantee either.
I don't buy that Trump "wanted" to lose. It makes zero sense.
This post was edited on 1/4/18 at 7:22 am
Posted on 1/4/18 at 7:22 am to SirWinston
Trying to mention drumph in the same breath with Reagan and Churchill in ANY way shows utter stupidity.
trump is a virus next to titans like Reagan and Churchill.
trump is a virus next to titans like Reagan and Churchill.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 7:23 am to TGFN57
Let's say that Kim Jong Un is assassinated by someone in his inner circle this year.
Would Trump's harsh rhetoric earn him no credit with you?
Would Trump's harsh rhetoric earn him no credit with you?
Posted on 1/4/18 at 7:45 am to SirWinston
Honestly could not give a shite if TRUMP was twice as crazy as this book says he is. He won the rust belt, beat Hillary, and enacted MAGA. He has given us great laughs and yuge league tax cuts. That is all that matters.
And the courts! My God he saved the courts! This is all two scoops stuff.
And the courts! My God he saved the courts! This is all two scoops stuff.
This post was edited on 1/4/18 at 7:46 am
Posted on 1/4/18 at 7:50 am to SirWinston
So Trump didn’t want to be President, reluctantly says I guess I HAVE to do this crap since I won, then proceeds to be the best President in the history of the United States? Not buying it.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 7:54 am to SirWinston
I read it too and It was unflattering to say the least.
I think Trump didn’t believe he would win - so he didn’t prepare himself for it - emotionally or work wise. The transition was chaotic. But he’s gotten it together since he hired Kelly. Nobody wants to take a loss in public. I just don’t believe that.
I think Bannon got fired and has sour grapes, and he’s good at publicity, but not politics. I think it stemmed from the fact that Bannon tried to, and wanted toncome btwn Trump and his kids for ego and his desire to run for President. I think he wanted Trump to defer to him, and him alone. Trump runs a family business. And consequently is used to relying on his kids for for advice. He was always going to be an outsider to them- to some extent. I believe that Ivanka does want to be President, which is why she went to work for him. What’s wrong with that? Hell at least she’s on his staff and a paid employee. Unlike Hillary Clinton who was First Lady, but still making policy decisions but not as a Federal employee.
If Trump was really crazy - Ivanka would have turned out like Paris Hilton. None of his children act like other entitled spoiled brats
Bannon has no business commenting on a meeting he did not attend. The thing that pisses me off the most is his speculation about that innocuous meeting. He gave no new info aside from siding with the D narrative on that.
I think Trump didn’t believe he would win - so he didn’t prepare himself for it - emotionally or work wise. The transition was chaotic. But he’s gotten it together since he hired Kelly. Nobody wants to take a loss in public. I just don’t believe that.
I think Bannon got fired and has sour grapes, and he’s good at publicity, but not politics. I think it stemmed from the fact that Bannon tried to, and wanted toncome btwn Trump and his kids for ego and his desire to run for President. I think he wanted Trump to defer to him, and him alone. Trump runs a family business. And consequently is used to relying on his kids for for advice. He was always going to be an outsider to them- to some extent. I believe that Ivanka does want to be President, which is why she went to work for him. What’s wrong with that? Hell at least she’s on his staff and a paid employee. Unlike Hillary Clinton who was First Lady, but still making policy decisions but not as a Federal employee.
If Trump was really crazy - Ivanka would have turned out like Paris Hilton. None of his children act like other entitled spoiled brats
Bannon has no business commenting on a meeting he did not attend. The thing that pisses me off the most is his speculation about that innocuous meeting. He gave no new info aside from siding with the D narrative on that.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 7:54 am to SirWinston
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Also, I wouldn't mind diving deeper into some of the anecdotes from the book, such as "nobody thought Trump would win" and that Trump himself was shocked and dismayed when the results started turning on election night. Supposedly he did not want to be President.
I don't see how this is possible
I keep going back to reports of his first meeting with Obama during the transition and how unprepared and shell shocked Trump came across at the scope of the job. I don't think he ever expected to win, and because of that he never truly prepared for the win. Part of that is arrogance - the feeling that he knows more about any and every subject than anyone.
I don't buy the argument that he didn't WANT to win. I do buy the argument that he never expected to win.
As for the book, even if 50% of it is true, it's astonishing that this country elected this walking buffoon to the highest position in our government. None of it in the book should be surprising though if you paid attention during the campaign.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 8:02 am to TigrrrDad
quote:Exactly!
So Trump didn’t want to be President, reluctantly says I guess I HAVE to do this crap since I won, then proceeds
Makes no sense at all.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 8:05 am to SirWinston
According to the White House press briefing, Michael Wolff visited he White House more than a dozen times last year. That’s according to Sara Huckabee sanders. I’m sure they will do there best to slander and discredit him however.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 8:17 am to SirWinston
Yeah, the guy who was doing a whirlwind tour of swing states up to the 11th hour obviously had no intention of winning...lib logic is stupid!
Posted on 1/4/18 at 8:19 am to SirWinston
I agree that giving this sort of access to Michael Wolff was boneheaded on Trump's part. He and Jared supposedly talk to Rupert Murdoch fairly regularly and Rupert hates Wolff for the critical book Wolff wrote on him. Trump's reaction is going to help Wolff sell a lot more books.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 8:21 am to SirWinston
Caught the guy has a reputation for creating quotes and situations out of thin air. It's all over his Wikipedia page. I wouldn't put much stock in his book.
Especially since the central premise is that a guy who was working on the campaign 20 hours a day for 16 months, spending millions of dollars, doing six events that day, didn't actually want to be president and wanted to lose.
Especially since the central premise is that a guy who was working on the campaign 20 hours a day for 16 months, spending millions of dollars, doing six events that day, didn't actually want to be president and wanted to lose.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 8:22 am to SirWinston
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But why on earth would you invite these cretins into your world unnecessarily? It's Trump's greatest flaw.
I haven't read the excerpts but if I had to guess this is probably the situation:
What is "normal' behavior and normal "business" communication to Trump is not normal to Michael Wolff. What Wolff observes confirms his bias and gets spun in his book to not only meet his bias but exceed his bias. Totally opposite would have occurred if Sean Hannity were writing this book and made the same observations as Wolff.
Two people can look at a situation and come away with two totally different descriptions. In my previous example Sean would accent all Trump positives and Wolff (as soon to be proven by his book) will accent all Trumps negatives.
Another point...Trump allows these left wing reporters access simply because he doesn't care and Trump owns the downside. If the negative reporting is true he basically says, yeah that's true. If it's false he fights back and fights back hard. He probably views that as a positive because of transparency and the thrives off of the rhetorical public fight that always follows and wins almost all the time. And given the fact that he has the bully pulpit his chances of winning these rhetorical fights are significantly high.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 8:23 am to SirWinston
quote:then tucker is a moron because several things in the book have been discovered to be false and it hasn’t even been released
Tucker Carlson said last night that he knows Wolff and Wolff wouldn't report things that aren't true.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 8:26 am to SirWinston
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I don't see how this is possible - his brand was going to be in tatters if he had lost. The estimates of his new DC hotel were brutal had he lost - his debt was almost unmanageable and he'd surely have had to declare bankruptcy on it given how it would have been boycotted had Hillary won. Ditto for Ivanka - her clothing line suffered a MAJOR blow that would have been worse had Trump lost. It would have all been for not had Trump not won the election. So I find it really hard to believe that competitors like Trump and Ivanka WANTED to lose the election.
Yeah, I don't believe for a second Trump wanted to lose. Did Trump have contingency plans in place if he loss? Sure. But that's a far cry from wanting to lose.
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