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I support the war. Am I wrong?
Posted on 3/24/26 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 3/24/26 at 1:40 pm
Seems everyone is debating this war from a different premise. Everyone has their own “truth” that they’re “certain” of. I have my own truths for sure, but I don’t claim to be certain of them. The reality is, none of us knows for sure what’s true and what isn’t. All we have is words from govt and words from media. Both sources are suspect even in the best of times, and it’s that much worse when it comes to wartime.
I understand we were lied to in 2003 about Iraq. But that’s armchair QB stuff. At the time of invasion, several govt intelligence agencies all believed Iraq had WMD. They either truly believed that, or it’s the greatest lie ever told and managed to be kept secret by thousands of people within those agencies for quite a while… until it finally came out.
Maybe we are being lied to again. I’m willing to entertain that thought. And if that thought is proven true, I’ll join the crusade against this war and I’ll help scream from the rooftops how wrong it is.
But until then, I am willing to support the effort, and I base that support on some things I am willing to accept as truth. Those things are as follows:
• Iran has a strong desire to obtain a nuclear weapon, and to use it, if acquired.
• Iran’s nuclear enrichment capability was destroyed last year.
• The material Iran had already enriched may not have been destroyed.
• Iran will never stop trying to acquire nuclear weapons under the current regime.
• Iran has been rapidly building up its conventional weapons arsenal.
• Iran, at some point soon, will have a large enough arsenal of conventional weapons to prevent anyone from stopping them from rebuilding their nuclear enrichment capabilities.
• Israel was going to bomb Iran with or without us.
• If we didn’t participate, our bases in the ME would have been hit, and therefore, we’d still be heavily involved.
• Iran does not need the ability to strike the US mainland with any weapon to cause great harm to the US
Until proven false, I’m willing to accept all the above as truth.
Based on that, I am supportive of the war effort. I’m cautiously optimistic of the outcome. I’m cautious because it’s the middle east and those people are irrational and barbaric. You just can’t predict how they’ll behave. I’m optimistic because the man pulling the strings plays to win. He doesn’t play to “not lose”. He’s egotistical, and his entire legacy rests on this outcome.
I understand we were lied to in 2003 about Iraq. But that’s armchair QB stuff. At the time of invasion, several govt intelligence agencies all believed Iraq had WMD. They either truly believed that, or it’s the greatest lie ever told and managed to be kept secret by thousands of people within those agencies for quite a while… until it finally came out.
Maybe we are being lied to again. I’m willing to entertain that thought. And if that thought is proven true, I’ll join the crusade against this war and I’ll help scream from the rooftops how wrong it is.
But until then, I am willing to support the effort, and I base that support on some things I am willing to accept as truth. Those things are as follows:
• Iran has a strong desire to obtain a nuclear weapon, and to use it, if acquired.
• Iran’s nuclear enrichment capability was destroyed last year.
• The material Iran had already enriched may not have been destroyed.
• Iran will never stop trying to acquire nuclear weapons under the current regime.
• Iran has been rapidly building up its conventional weapons arsenal.
• Iran, at some point soon, will have a large enough arsenal of conventional weapons to prevent anyone from stopping them from rebuilding their nuclear enrichment capabilities.
• Israel was going to bomb Iran with or without us.
• If we didn’t participate, our bases in the ME would have been hit, and therefore, we’d still be heavily involved.
• Iran does not need the ability to strike the US mainland with any weapon to cause great harm to the US
Until proven false, I’m willing to accept all the above as truth.
Based on that, I am supportive of the war effort. I’m cautiously optimistic of the outcome. I’m cautious because it’s the middle east and those people are irrational and barbaric. You just can’t predict how they’ll behave. I’m optimistic because the man pulling the strings plays to win. He doesn’t play to “not lose”. He’s egotistical, and his entire legacy rests on this outcome.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 1:43 pm to deuceiswild
A rare bit of sense on this board.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 1:44 pm to deuceiswild
Are you wrong to support the war? No, you are not.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 1:44 pm to deuceiswild
I think your bullets are probably like 80% true. I think the sketchy parts doing the most work are the operational motivations. I'm sure you can make those cases, but I suspect the case against them being reality is stout. I think we have a reasonable moral/ethical reason for action in Iran, it's the other stuff I think is likely fluff.
I support America in America's war in Iran. Whether it's a good move or not, I don't know. I'm not going to pretend to know. Perhaps in time I'll have sufficient information to make a very firm call on that front. I'm an American homer though, so I hope we succeed decisively and quickly.
I support America in America's war in Iran. Whether it's a good move or not, I don't know. I'm not going to pretend to know. Perhaps in time I'll have sufficient information to make a very firm call on that front. I'm an American homer though, so I hope we succeed decisively and quickly.
This post was edited on 3/24/26 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 3/24/26 at 1:45 pm to deuceiswild
quote:
I support the war. Am I wrong?
No, you are not wrong. You are right.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 1:47 pm to deuceiswild
Let me sum it up for you:
The left is against Iran because of Bad Orange Man.
The right is against Iran because of Joos.
That's it. If Israel wasn't involved, those same people on the right would be singing the praises of God Emperor Trump.
The left is against Iran because of Bad Orange Man.
The right is against Iran because of Joos.
That's it. If Israel wasn't involved, those same people on the right would be singing the praises of God Emperor Trump.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 1:48 pm to deuceiswild
I’m not entirely opposed, but I’m also not blindly OK with it.
More than anything else, it’s the same general outlook I have with Venezuela, Mexico, and several other conflict areas.
If the UN did its fricking job and dealt with what are, by any objective measure, problematic and peace-threatening states run by despots, we wouldn’t have to.
My anger is much more with a world that lets these things get to this point, then gets outraged when somebody finally does something about it.
(And then comes crying to us to fix it when they are the ones being threatened. I’m looking at you, NATO.)
More than anything else, it’s the same general outlook I have with Venezuela, Mexico, and several other conflict areas.
If the UN did its fricking job and dealt with what are, by any objective measure, problematic and peace-threatening states run by despots, we wouldn’t have to.
My anger is much more with a world that lets these things get to this point, then gets outraged when somebody finally does something about it.
(And then comes crying to us to fix it when they are the ones being threatened. I’m looking at you, NATO.)
Posted on 3/24/26 at 1:48 pm to deuceiswild
There are reasons to support it. I do not simply because I believe the costs in men, material, treasure, and economic shocks from resource shortages will be far in excess of the value gained. I believe our leaders to be overconfident and short-sighted. I forsee a long, drawn out, bloody quagmire with no true endgame, a repeat of the Iraq War, which our government has clearly learned no lessons from.
I hope and pray that I am wrong, but because I am pretty sure that I am not, I oppose this war. It’s a bad gamble of resources and political capital.
I hope and pray that I am wrong, but because I am pretty sure that I am not, I oppose this war. It’s a bad gamble of resources and political capital.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 1:50 pm to deuceiswild
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I understand we were lied to in 2003 about Iraq.
Isnt that the perfect example of why we should really think about action in the middle east?
Incorrect intel (intentional or not) resulted in many lives lost, including American soldiers… and a cascade of conflicts in the region from libya to syria… which then led to a huge migration crisis into europe and elsewhere thats now eating those societies from within…
We can’t just be like “oh well, oopsie daisy” about it when it has real catastrophic consequences.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 1:50 pm to deuceiswild
A simple cost benefit analysis tells me it’s a bad decision
The Israeli/jewish influence makes it seem like we’re not driving the ship
The Israeli/jewish influence makes it seem like we’re not driving the ship
Posted on 3/24/26 at 1:52 pm to deuceiswild
Iran has been at war with us since 1979. They've caused the deaths of thousands of Americans. There is a cost to doing nothing, which is essentially what we've done for decades.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 1:52 pm to deuceiswild
There is not my truth your truth post modern crap... There is the truth......Stop reading right at the start.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 1:56 pm to Centinel
quote:I voted for 2016 Trump every time I voted for him.
That's it. If Israel wasn't involved, those same people on the right would be singing the praises of God Emperor Trump.
The wall Mexico was going to pay for.
Mass deportations.
Strength vs. China.
Disengaging from foreign entanglements.
Shillery getting locked up.
Swamp being drained.
Only one of those has anything to do with "joos" and none of those things have been accomplished.
If you’re happy that none of that has happened, then you were never a Trump supporter. And none of those things are going to happen after the Dems control the legislative branch next year. We should start thinking strategically and nudging Thomas to resign. I don't want to depend on a Democrat controlled Senate to confirm his replacement or even worse, have President Newsome nominate his replacement.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 1:57 pm to kingbob
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I do not simply because I believe the costs in men, material, treasure, and economic shocks from resource shortages will be far in excess of the value gained.
I don't believe anybody "wants" American lives to be lost, nor does anyone "want" to expend the material and treasure either. But I do believe that rational people understand that those are a part of the costs of undertaking on such a mission.
I am curious of the details as to why you believe this will be a long drawn out battle and why you believe the value gained may not be worth it. And also, are you willing to admit that the value to be gained is potentially greater than the cost by orders of magnitude? I'm not asking you to believe it. Only if you believe the potential for it is there.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 1:58 pm to deuceiswild
I'm never going to be fully supportive of putting troops in harms way, it's a brotherhood thing.
But if we're going to go, use everything we have to protect them.
The discombobulater, spookies, warthogs, and armor.
And take the gloves off.
Go full barbarian.
But if we're going to go, use everything we have to protect them.
The discombobulater, spookies, warthogs, and armor.
And take the gloves off.
Go full barbarian.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 1:59 pm to The Baker
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Isnt that the perfect example of why we should really think about action in the middle east?
Of course it is.
But I do not believe it's a rational reason to not support the war.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 2:00 pm to deuceiswild
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But I do not believe it's a rational reason to not support the war.
Explain why learning from the previous quagmire is irrational
Posted on 3/24/26 at 2:00 pm to Ag Zwin
quote:What if the UN isn't doing anything about it because Iran isn't the threat that we're being told it is?
If the UN did its fricking job and dealt with what are, by any objective measure, problematic and peace-threatening states run by despots, we wouldn’t have to.
My anger is much more with a world that lets these things get to this point, then gets outraged when somebody finally does something about it.
What if the Deep State is propagandizing Iran because Iran threatens THEIR money/power, not the safety of you and me?
If those things prove to be true, and I believe they are, would you change your opinion on the situation?
Posted on 3/24/26 at 2:01 pm to deuceiswild
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I don't believe anybody "wants" American lives to be lost, nor does anyone "want" to expend the material and treasure either.
The American political class has wanted exactly this for over 40 years.
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