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re: I Support DeSantis for his Border Policy and So Should any Republican
Posted on 1/10/24 at 6:01 pm to David_DJS
Posted on 1/10/24 at 6:01 pm to David_DJS
quote:Possibly, yes.
Would that have gotten you to switch your primary vote from Trump to DeSantis?
The Lawfare attack on Trump drove my decision because we can NEVER EVER allow this shite to happen again. The best avenue available, after RDD entered and took the tack he did, remained re-electing Trump
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Posted on 1/10/24 at 6:06 pm to NC_Tigah
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Possibly, yes. The Lawfare attack on Trump drove my decision because we can NEVER EVER allow this shite to happen again. The best avenue available, after RDD entered and took the tack he did, remained re-electing Trump
So, you know Trump is ill-equipped for the 21st century battlefield and DeSantis, being a bright lawyer, is well-equipped for it, but you’re going with the ill-equipped guy because the well-equipped guy didn’t tell you these things that you already know?
Posted on 1/10/24 at 6:07 pm to SirWinston
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Running against Trump and remaining friends / allies is nearly impossible.
I’m sure he’s devastated
Posted on 1/10/24 at 6:25 pm to David_DJS
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So, you know Trump is ill-equipped for the 21st century battlefield and DeSantis, being a bright lawyer, is well-equipped for it, but you’re going with the ill-equipped guy because the well-equipped guy didn’t tell you these things that you already know?
Fact is, DeSantis does not possess the leadership personality to be POTUS. This won't change in 2028. Yes, his campaign was terrible, but he himself does not possess the necessary personality traits to win people's confidence. Get mad if you want to, doesn't change the fact of what I'm stating.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 6:27 pm to RFK
DeSantis has no comprehensive border plan. He has things like enforcing e-verify and similar stuff, which is good, and I agree. However, he does not have a comprehensive plan. He talks about 'military assets' which is non-committal lawyer talk.
I have a strategy, based on our national interests. I will actually secure the border. DeSantis won't, because he's afraid to commit the forces that it will take. People are afraid of the optics but if there was ever a mission for the military, it's to defend us against an invasion.
Cartels are smart and they have money. They are going to move to where the border defense is the softest. We only have about 20,000 Border Patrol agents that are actively on the border. You can only put about 10,000 on shift at once, if you're lucky. That's one agent for every 1100 feet of border, roughly. When DeSantis talks about military assets, I'm 100% confident he's talking about aircraft, drones, etc. This will do very little, if anything.
My plan is 500k troops to cover the entire border. Before you account for Border Patrol, my plan puts a pair of boots at every 45 feet on the border. The entire border will be locked down. Obstacles put in place. A wall built. This is a military deployment. I'm going to put the military down there, with full combat pay, tax free status etc. And I'll do the same for Border Patrol. It's an invasion and it's time we treat it like one, with full military deployment to defend this nation.
And I will ship some of these illegals to DC and put them in tent cities so Congress can live like the border residents live. And I'll use the National Guard to rip down every barrier around the Capitol. No wall for Americans at the border - no wall for Congress.
Also, I haven't seen DeSantis offer anything to incentivize self-deportation, which is essential since we have tens of millions of people here illegally. You can't round up all of them in a timely fashion. You have to incentivize self-deportation. I will do that - tax remittances, cut off all aid to illegals on day 1, stop the inflow, offer cash to those that leave voluntarily.
With a full military deployment to the border, and even spending like $50B to build factories and such at the border, for these people to work at, and subsidizing those operations at the tune of about $30B per year - we still save $50B per year as a nation, moving forward. And, our borders are respected, we lessen the threat of terrorism, provide more jobs for Americans, opportunities for US companies, and economic growth potential for the people here illegally, but only if they self-deport and then work down at the border.
I'm the only candidate with an actual strategy on this issue.
I have a strategy, based on our national interests. I will actually secure the border. DeSantis won't, because he's afraid to commit the forces that it will take. People are afraid of the optics but if there was ever a mission for the military, it's to defend us against an invasion.
Cartels are smart and they have money. They are going to move to where the border defense is the softest. We only have about 20,000 Border Patrol agents that are actively on the border. You can only put about 10,000 on shift at once, if you're lucky. That's one agent for every 1100 feet of border, roughly. When DeSantis talks about military assets, I'm 100% confident he's talking about aircraft, drones, etc. This will do very little, if anything.
My plan is 500k troops to cover the entire border. Before you account for Border Patrol, my plan puts a pair of boots at every 45 feet on the border. The entire border will be locked down. Obstacles put in place. A wall built. This is a military deployment. I'm going to put the military down there, with full combat pay, tax free status etc. And I'll do the same for Border Patrol. It's an invasion and it's time we treat it like one, with full military deployment to defend this nation.
And I will ship some of these illegals to DC and put them in tent cities so Congress can live like the border residents live. And I'll use the National Guard to rip down every barrier around the Capitol. No wall for Americans at the border - no wall for Congress.
Also, I haven't seen DeSantis offer anything to incentivize self-deportation, which is essential since we have tens of millions of people here illegally. You can't round up all of them in a timely fashion. You have to incentivize self-deportation. I will do that - tax remittances, cut off all aid to illegals on day 1, stop the inflow, offer cash to those that leave voluntarily.
With a full military deployment to the border, and even spending like $50B to build factories and such at the border, for these people to work at, and subsidizing those operations at the tune of about $30B per year - we still save $50B per year as a nation, moving forward. And, our borders are respected, we lessen the threat of terrorism, provide more jobs for Americans, opportunities for US companies, and economic growth potential for the people here illegally, but only if they self-deport and then work down at the border.
I'm the only candidate with an actual strategy on this issue.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 7:07 pm to David_DJS
quote:Think about WTF you just said. Now then, I'm going to be voting for my first time ever in SC. What do you give odds of RDD still being in the race when I vote?
but you’re going with the ill-equipped guy because the well-equipped guy didn’t tell you these things that you already know?
Posted on 1/10/24 at 7:09 pm to lake chuck fan
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leadership personality
You can just remove the “leadership” part and admit you’re in a popularity contest.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 7:22 pm to NC_Tigah
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Think about WTF you just said.
I just restated what you’ve posted but in more literal terms, and it appears you agree that it makes no sense.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 7:57 pm to GoldenGuy
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Wasn’t there significantly less crossings under Trump, and Border Patrol didn’t need the help?
Under Trump's presidency illegal crossings were averaging a little over 300k/year until 2020. What happened in 2020?
Joe Biden and a stage full of Dims during a debate in October of 2019 essentially told illegals the southern border will be wide open if Trump is defeated and the caravans began to form.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 8:06 pm to Bass Tiger
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Under Trump's presidency illegal crossings were averaging a little over 300k/year until 2020. What happened in 2020?
In 2020 the border crossings dropped like a rock.
Trump’s first two years were about what you said and the same as Obama, but 2019 saw a spike in apprehensions to well above Obama levels and then 2020/COVID happened and slowed every thing down.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 8:10 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
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It was great if you think an average of 40,000 a month (that we know about) is acceptable.
Amd another year or so of him as potus it would be <10,000 because he could finish the wall and defend this country properly
Posted on 1/10/24 at 8:18 pm to David_DJS
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In 2020 the border crossings dropped like a rock.
Trump’s first two years were about what you said and the same as Obama, but 2019 saw a spike in apprehensions to well above Obama levels and then 2020/COVID happened and slowed every thing down.
Yeah I didn't type Covid because we all know what happened in 2020.
Then I brought up the October 2019 Dim debate when a stage full of Dims said they would provide medical care and educational benefits to illegals and Jotato told illegals to surge the border and when Trump was ousted the caravans came north.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 8:37 pm to Bass Tiger
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Then I brought up the October 2019 Dim debate when a stage full of Dims said they would provide medical care and educational benefits to illegals and Jotato told illegals to surge the border and when Trump was ousted the caravans came north.
What does this have to do with border crossings under Trump?
Posted on 1/10/24 at 8:58 pm to David_DJS
quote:
Then I brought up the October 2019 Dim debate when a stage full of Dims said they would provide medical care and educational benefits to illegals and Jotato told illegals to surge the border and when Trump was ousted the caravans came north.
What does this have to do with border crossings under Trump?
I simply stated the border crossings under Trump were averaging a little over 300k and the border crossings immediately began to increase when Jotato took office because illegals understood the illegitimate regime would allow unfettered illegal immigration.....that's all.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:04 pm to RFK
I like Ron but he’s not ready. And it shows.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 6:04 am to PsychTiger
quote:Riveting take.
Post less.
Care to debate why Trump failed to execute this campaign promise of his? Or just continue to deflect.
This post was edited on 1/11/24 at 6:08 am
Posted on 1/11/24 at 6:12 am to David_DJS
quote:
What excuse do you make for Trump not doing it when he had the chance?
Biden stopped the wall.
It would be built.
Are you saying it wouldn’t?
He’s actually removed people from this country.
Desantis has sent them further in.
You can’t in one hand say trump is mean and deporting people and then in the other say no he didn’t when it’s convenient to lie.
Kids in cages…
This post was edited on 1/11/24 at 6:15 am
Posted on 1/11/24 at 6:14 am to Bass Tiger
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What happened in 2020?
Covid shutdowns, cities burning, businesses destroyed.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 6:15 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Covid shutdowns, cities burning, businesses destroyed.
I don’t know about burning but this happened in FL under desantis’ order.
They did have blm, I don’t know about stuff burning down in Fl.
This post was edited on 1/11/24 at 6:17 am
Posted on 1/11/24 at 6:15 am to Ribbed
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STD has a severe aversion to context, mostly because most of his arguments go up in smoke in the presence of any clarity.
Their infatuation is purely personality based, because Trump is the shittiest leader thats ever attempted to lead. Everything he touched, failed.
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