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re: I heard a crazy stat yesterday
Posted on 4/15/25 at 9:27 am to TigerAxeOK
Posted on 4/15/25 at 9:27 am to TigerAxeOK
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Many more people are willing to work on an assembly line or boxing dock
Zero challenge or skill. Its a job that crackheads could do if they show up.
There are legit reasons these jobs were offshored.
This post was edited on 4/15/25 at 9:28 am
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Posted on 4/15/25 at 9:28 am to FLTech
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good paying manufacturing jobs
That's the rub. I think you guys envision us going back to 1950 and the reality is these may be $15 an hour jobs (or completely automated). And if the employees want to unionize to get that good-paying job, you guys will sky scream about that.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 9:33 am to RogerTheShrubber
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You develop skills in construction, you put a nut on a bolt or drop sheet metal into a template every 20 seconds in assembly line work.
You’re describing exactly why manufacturing jobs are more attractive for many.
Air conditioning counts for a lot too.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 9:35 am to FLTech
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Because they pay like shite right now because the pay rate is for slave labor immigrants instead of actual good paying jobs for American citizens.
Eventually this will correct itself once Trump gets out all of the illegals.
thanx - glad to not have to say the same thing, =
Posted on 4/15/25 at 9:36 am to FLTech
There are currently something like half a million OPEN manufacturing jobs in this country. There's nothing stopping anyone from going to get these jobs.
This overromanticized image of the new guilded age is total nonsense.
This overromanticized image of the new guilded age is total nonsense.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 9:39 am to RogerTheShrubber
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There are hundreds of thousands of Constuction jobs available where you work with your hands.
Why arent they filling?
Because we give welfare to able bodied people. Stop giving money to people who are able to work.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 9:42 am to FLTech
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believe it or not, 30% of white collar workers would rather use their hands to work all day instead of sitting at a desk all day on their computer
I need to get out of this office it's killing me.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 9:42 am to Zach
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I read about a study years ago that explained a good way to make assembly line work better for the worker.
If you assemble the top of a widget all day it gets really old and boring. So, after 6 months they take you to another room and show you how to assemble the middle of the widget. Six months later you go to the bottom of the widget line. They keep rotating crews to keep things new.
The Mercedes plant here in Tuscaloosa has done that for 20 years. Not only helps with productivity, it reduces injury (carpal tunnel etc).
Posted on 4/15/25 at 9:44 am to alphaandomega
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Because we give welfare to able bodied people. Stop giving money to people who are able to work.
Exactly, people that actually want to help people, don't just send them a check for breathing. That is just giving money for a vote. If you are not teaching able bodied people an employable skill, what are you doing and why are you doing it?
Posted on 4/15/25 at 9:44 am to TheHarahanian
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You’re describing exactly why manufacturing jobs are more attractive for many.
Yall are gonna be so disappointed. I guess thats why Amazon had to hire refugees to make their business work.
Mfg jobs today add no meaning to a life outside of a paycheck. People need meaning and status of some kind.
There are legit reasons why these were sent offshore and its not always tied to wages. In fact, most factories can operate with fewer human inputs than ever before.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 9:50 am to alphaandomega
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Because we give welfare to able bodied people.
Thats not going to end.
The available pool for repetitive factory work is limited to a few who want a change of scenery (short term) crackheads and immigrants.
There are approx 13 million mfg jobs in the USA right now. Good luck hiring more white or black folks, they arent going to do it. Everyone is working that will work.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 9:56 am to mwade91383
When they are paying $18/hour - thats why. I can go up to Chipolte and earn $20/hr
If manufacturing wants to fill those positions then they need to pay more. If they don’t pay more then they will be left in the dust
If manufacturing wants to fill those positions then they need to pay more. If they don’t pay more then they will be left in the dust
Posted on 4/15/25 at 9:59 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Yall are gonna be so disappointed.
I’m not predicting that white collar workers will line up for manufacturing jobs.
But people who otherwise would be working the drive thru, or bagging groceries, or serving you at Applebee’s, might. There are also a lot of people who currently aren’t working at all.
The obvious point is, jobs that require no skills attract people with no skills. The white collar aspect is new to me.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 10:00 am to FLTech
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When they are paying $18/hour
Any higher and you're looking at mass automation. We already have the tech.
In the USA, if you want a better paying job you increase your own individual value with training or education.
We are supposed to be a nation of opportunity and individual excellence, not nannyism.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 10:01 am to TheHarahanian
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But people who otherwise would be working the drive thru, or bagging groceries, or serving you at Applebee’s, might. There are also a lot of people who currently aren’t working at all.
The elephant in the room is that the black market/underground economy can be more lucrative than working, and you have no clock to punch.
Its those people you'll need to dislodge. Its easier to use/sell drugs or deal in stolen merchandise than work a factory.
This post was edited on 4/15/25 at 10:02 am
Posted on 4/15/25 at 10:04 am to RogerTheShrubber
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There are hundreds of thousands of Constuction jobs available where you work with your hands.
Blue collar work for white collar pay, then I beleive the 30% stat.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 10:08 am to SDVTiger
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There are hundreds of thousands of Constuction jobs
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The US-based trade organisation, with a membership of more than 23,000 builders and contractors, reported that 439,000 net new workers would be required to match expected activity this year, and around 499,000 new labourers will need to join the fold in 2026.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 10:09 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Yall are gonna be so disappointed.
I guess thats why Amazon had to hire refugees to make their business work.
Mfg jobs today add no meaning to a life outside of a paycheck. People need meaning and status of some kind.
There are legit reasons why these were sent offshore and its not always tied to wages. In fact, most factories can operate with fewer human inputs than ever before.
So you pick the absolute worst case scenario to make your point about manufacturing? You know what you are doing. There are more high end factory jobs out there than what you are insinuating.
This post was edited on 4/15/25 at 10:13 am
Posted on 4/15/25 at 10:14 am to FLTech
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When they are paying $18/hour - thats why. I can go up to Chipolte and earn $20/hr
If manufacturing wants to fill those positions then they need to pay more. If they don’t pay more then they will be left in the dust
A couple things:
1) Most of anything we reshore will be automated by robots and, you guessed it, white collar jobs.
2) The only way those pay increases you're suggesting even come close to happening will be strong unions, which this country has eroded in most places over several decades. Not to mention the steep price increase passed on to consumers that many will not accept.
Also, is Cato Institute the source of the stat? I've heard alot of chatter about it as well. I think the point is really that people THINK they want manufacturing but push comes to shove they don't actually wanna do it. It's like the NIMBYism of jobs.
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Posted on 4/15/25 at 10:14 am to Hitman67
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So you pick the absolute worst case scenario to make your point about manufacturing?
Nope. We have almost 13 million employed in mfg right now. Our mfg is higher value than the Chinese. The idea that we dont manufacture in this country is bullshite, we do, and they are better jobs than a Chinese factory.
The jobs we sent offshore are the lower value jobs. They;re not worth the wages they will pay.
Most humans in this country have advanced beyond simple assembly line labor, and have skill or education to do better.
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