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re: I hate to say it, but I see zero pathway for victory in '24

Posted on 4/5/23 at 6:51 am to
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16108 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 6:51 am to
The "right candidate" will never get past the republican primaries
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
35994 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 6:57 am to
You can blame HW because he really did not campaign all that much and you can use the swampiness bullshite of today all you want, but once the Democrats got the Presidency with Clinton they set about overhauling the bureaucracy in DC. Not in term of just size, but who got in and stayed and who they brought in and are now ensconced in power.

The kind of power that no amount of draining will blunt. You want to beat them, then play their game because they control the chess board.
Posted by mark65mc
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
11500 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 7:01 am to
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Rigged elections can’t be beat unless you rig them better yourself. We are fudged




This. But you need to be smart about it. Fully engage in ballot harvesting. Find the harvesters. Pay them double to harvest 50% of their votes to a 3rd party prog candidate.
Posted by tarzana
TX Hwy 6-- the Brazos River Valley
Member since Sep 2015
30728 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 7:02 am to
Trump is a republican non-starter; no "undecided" voter will step in that booth and choose a fraud and a taxcheat.

I don't think Desantis will run. It'll boil down to Asa, Haley or Pence for the Republicans. Unlikely that any of them can beat Biden
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68474 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 7:03 am to
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I see zero pathway for victory in '24

Look closer
Posted by 14&Counting
Dallas, TX
Member since Jul 2012
41490 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 7:03 am to
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If he gets away from uniparty hacks I'd back him 100%



I don't know what you mean by "uniprty hacks".....but we need the GOPe on our side on some level...there is simply no alternative if you want to win....as much as I despise the McConnell's of the world he is a damn far sight from Biden and the radical left. If we can't get on the same page, we are sunk and Marxism becomes more entrenched.
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
80177 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 7:04 am to
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it isn't the Sydney Powell type cheating that is the issue, but the process itself that is the fraud. Such as ballot harvesting, no ID laws, mail in ballots, month long voting windows, etc.


Bingo.

We don't have credible election systems.

You can talk about precious "democracy" all you want , but without credible election systems that talk is just theater.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
52313 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 7:05 am to
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If he gets away from uniparty hacks I'd back him 100%

If he gets away from “uniparty hacks”, as you put it, he is guaranteed to lose the election.
Posted by hogcard1964
Alabama
Member since Jan 2017
17542 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 7:07 am to
We won't win because we're gutless. We roll over and hand the left lube while doing so and ask them to go gentle. We should have been in the streets yesterday marching and rioting all over the country, but they've neutered our party by labelling us racists and insurrectionists and we take it.

However, we can win. We just have to accept the fact that it's going to require "better" cheating.
Posted by frogtown
Member since Aug 2017
5769 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 7:08 am to
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Let me guess, the GOP needs to run a prochoice anti religious candidate that will be a nonstarter for the GOP base. How does Dem Lite, help the GOP win if the base stays home?



Nope. The GOP has a candidate who is beating Biden in damn near every recent 2024 general election poll and he is none of those things you listed.

For right now, that is the best you can do.
Posted by BHTiger
Charleston
Member since Dec 2017
8439 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 7:11 am to
Asa, Haley or Pence for the Republicans

If that is the choice then who cares.....it won't matter.
Posted by PorkSammich
North FL
Member since Sep 2013
16929 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 7:11 am to
Trump just needs to step aside and endorse the best candidate then there’s a path.

Majority of voters don’t want radical Dems or Trump.
Posted by Tomatocantender
Boot
Member since Jun 2021
5578 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 7:16 am to
Arizona and Georgia are attainable imo. Or maybe that's just my rose colored (no pun) glasses that I'm looking through. Wish I could say the same for PA but after the Fetterman farce, they are dead to me.
Posted by WW
Member since Dec 2013
2598 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 7:21 am to
This won't sit well with the "let's vote our way out of this" crowd.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
66823 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 7:23 am to
I think DeSantis is the better candidate for places like GA, NV, AZ, and WI. PA and MI are probably gone, but Trump would likely do better there IMO.
Posted by TomShelby
Member since Mar 2023
789 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 7:26 am to
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If he gets away from “uniparty hacks”, as you put it, he is guaranteed to lose the election.



Yes vote for the swamper so we can get back to normal!

Team meatball
Posted by Tiger985
Member since Nov 2006
7478 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 7:28 am to
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The political establishment will not lose another election they want/need to win. It's over.


This is the likely truth. Brexit and Trump 2016 were the end of free elections.

They don't leave anything to chance anymore. They will do whatever they have to do to keep power.

Their disasterous policies will send us to the abyss.

Dark days ahead.
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
18496 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 7:29 am to
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Hell, blame Reagan. His amnesty started the ball rolling on this shite.

Yes this.

Reagan was not the 'revolution' we needed

He ended the Soviet Union with the Strategic Defense Initiative...

He treated the presidency with unfailing respect...

but at the same time, Reagan in 1980 ran on a campaign promise to end the Department of Education that was begun by Jimmy Carter just one term earlier.

Reagan not only did not rid us of the Education Department as promised, he allowed radicals intent on destroying our education system changing it to what communist radicals for the previous 100 or so years wanted - a dumbing down of the populace.

This is elemental analysis of how we got where we are...

It seems this may have been a move to satisfy radicals in the teachers unions. Reagan was a union boss himself and very much indicates a union inspired move.

I believe the real cause of our current problems is the change that began happening with the evil emanating from Marx and Hegel in the 19th century. The "dialectic"; the continual release of revolution followed by successor revolution ad infinitum. Why anyone ever managed to be accepting of such nonsense is beyond any reason.

The result of the 19th century marxian stance, manifested itself as the seeds of the violent outbreak of the Bolsheviks from Eastern Europe, ie Khazar; and the iron thumb of control by our federal reserve established in the 1910's; the outbreak of violence of the "great" wars, and the last 90 years of forever war and grifting wars such as the neo-Bolsheviks have rekindled in modern Khazar.

THOSE same people are causing 2024 as usurpers; and I pray that Americans find anyway to defeat them; even if it involves using THEIR techniques against them.

If we don't their next moves have always been genocidal in nature.
This post was edited on 4/5/23 at 8:10 am
Posted by PorkSammich
North FL
Member since Sep 2013
16929 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 7:30 am to
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Yes vote for the swamper so we can get back to normal!


Trump has wayyy more swamp ties.

Mike Pence was his damn VP.
Posted by rhar61
Member since Nov 2022
5109 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 7:33 am to
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If he gets away from “uniparty hacks”, as you put it, he is guaranteed to lose the election.



If that is the case the country is dying and the only argument is how long it will take.
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