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Posted on 10/30/23 at 8:55 pm to SDVTiger
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Sounds like a typical Ronbot…
Keep melting bitch. You spend more time on here crying over Desantis than you do attacking the actual enemy.
Weird.
This post was edited on 10/30/23 at 8:59 pm
Posted on 10/30/23 at 9:01 pm to thebigmuffaletta
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Because we’re a Constitutional Republic you can’t just simply hold a democratic vote and vote away someone else’s rights.
Why do you think that this matters? The definition of democracy has nothing to do with being able to vote away rights.
Sit in on a middle school social studies class. Please.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 9:04 pm to LSUconvert
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The country you live in is a democracy.
It's also a republic.
One does not preclude the other.
bigmuffaletta pointed this out but a Republic in and of itself, left standalone is a loose form of a democracy however when combined with and governed by a Constitution such as ours...we are not a democracy. Our rights in the Constitution can't be voted out by a majority. The Founding Fathers were absolutely against a democratic form of government. They were big on individual rights which get erased by democratic principles.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 9:07 pm to LSUconvert
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The definition of democracy has nothing to do with being able to vote away rights.
Sure it does. In a democracy a majority vote can take away someone else’s rights. A Constitutional Republic prevents a simple majority from voting away the rights of everyone else.
This post was edited on 10/30/23 at 9:08 pm
Posted on 10/30/23 at 9:10 pm to Crimson1st
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bigmuffaletta pointed this out but a Republic in and of itself, left standalone is a loose form of a democracy however when combined with and governed by a Constitution such as ours...we are not a democracy. Our rights in the Constitution can't be voted out by a majority. The Founding Fathers were absolutely against a democratic form of government. They were big on individual rights which get erased by democratic principles.
This is why he and the rest of the Groomers are indignant about this topic, they want to be able to simply vote away everyone else’s rights.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 9:15 pm to thebigmuffaletta
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This is why he and the rest of the Groomers are indignant about this topic, they want to be able to simply vote away everyone else’s rights.
And you can’t maximize a massive voter fraud operation without majority rule.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 9:18 pm to thebigmuffaletta
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In a democracy a majority vote can take away someone else’s rights
This is not true.
What you're referring to (I believe) is a direct democracy.
The United States is not a direct democracy.
It is, however, a democracy.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 9:19 pm to Crimson1st
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we are not a democracy.
Yes we are.
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Our rights in the Constitution can't be voted out by a majority.
This has nothing to do with what makes a country a democracy.
This is basic middle school stuff.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 9:27 pm to LSUconvert
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This has nothing to do with what makes a country a democracy.
Well it depends. I would say the UK is more of a pure democracy than the U.S. because they do not have a written constitution. Their Parliament can create or take away rights on a whim. No more free speech? Parliament can ban it tomorrow if they want. They have no constitution or checks and balances standing in their way.
So I would consider countries like that to be more of a "democracy." A pure democracy is one in which policies and laws change based on the mob in charge at any given time.
The U.S. is a constitutional republic who's leaders are elected democratically. So yes we have a democratic process, but we aren't a pure democracy. The Democrats only call us a democracy because they despise the constitution which prevents their ill intentions.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 9:32 pm to LSUconvert
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What you're referring to (I believe) is a direct democracy.
There’s no difference if the populace votes to take away rights by a referendum or by electing people who will then take away rights, the end result is in a democracy a simple majority has the power to take away rights. A Constitutional Republic prevents both simple majority referendums and simple majorities electing people who will then take away rights on their behalf.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 9:33 pm to AUstar
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Well it depends. I would say the UK is more of a pure democracy than the U.S. because they do not have a written constitution.
That's not the way this works. The UK is not a pure democracy either. It either is or it isn't. It's a classification, not a sliding scale with 'pure' on one side.
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The U.S. is a constitutional republic who's leaders are elected democratically.
That's alot of words to say that the country is a democracy.
It's also a republic.
Like I said, one does not preclude the other.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 9:34 pm to thebigmuffaletta
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There’s no difference if the populace votes to take away rights by a referendum or by electing people who will then take away rights, the end result is in a democracy a simple majority has the power to take away rights. A Constitutional Republic prevents both simple majority referendums and simple majorities electing people who will then take away rights on their behalf.
You're still operating under the false assumption that democracy is somehow defined by the ability to vote away rights.
Whoever taught you this did you a huge disservice.
The actual definitions for the things you're talking about are readily available on the internet (and also middle school text books).
Posted on 10/30/23 at 9:40 pm to LSUconvert
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You're still operating under the false assumption that democracy is somehow defined by the ability to vote away righ
No, you’re hung up on distinctions without a difference when it comes to different forms of democracy having the power to take away rights. Without the democracy being subservient to the Constitutional Republic, the democracy has the power to take away rights by simple majority votes, be it by referendum or by electing people who will do it for them. I suspect you’re a proponent of simple majorities taking away rights, which is why you’re spending so much time here being a contrarian.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 9:45 pm to thebigmuffaletta
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No, you’re hung up on distinctions without a difference when it comes to different forms of democracy
At least we've gotten you far enough to admit there are distinctions.
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Without the democracy being subservient
Which democracy are you referring to?
How can something be subservient when it doesn't exist?
Posted on 10/30/23 at 9:45 pm to LSUconvert
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This is not true. What you're referring to (I believe) is a direct democracy. The United States is not a direct democracy. It is, however, a democracy.
Holy shite.
You're confusing direct democracy and representative democracy with constitutional republic.. Direct or representative has nothing to do with the subservience of the Democratic elements of our country to the restrictive constitutional republic structure.
The civics understanding of your typical democrat folks.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 9:49 pm to Turbeauxdog
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Direct or representative has nothing to do with the subservience of the Democratic elements of our country to the restrictive constitutional republic structure.
That subservience does absolutely nothing to disqualify the form of government from being a democracy.
Did you know a constitutional republic can be a democracy? Who taught you that one precludes the other?
Posted on 10/30/23 at 9:58 pm to LSUconvert
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Which democracy are you referring to?
Still trying that Strawman argument of “but we aren’t a direct democracy”, I see. You can’t argue against the fact that democratic forms of government who lack the safeguards afforded in a Constitutional Republic absolutely allow for majorities to vote away rights so you keep trying to make irrelevant distinctions between the different types of democracies.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 10:00 pm to thebigmuffaletta
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Still trying that Strawman argument of “but we aren’t a direct democracy”, I see. You can’t argue against the fact that democratic forms of government who lack the safeguards afforded in a Constitutional Republic absolutely allow for majorities to vote away rights so you keep trying to make irrelevant distinctions between the different types of democracies.
No I'm asking you a question.
When you talk about the democracy being subservient, which democracy are you talking about?
Posted on 10/30/23 at 10:26 pm to DMAN1968
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Hmmm...all the lefts talking points are covered.
Many on this site have claimed chat gpt was a darpa program to diseminate propaganda for the IC/CIA.
That anti Trump drivel sounds like it was plagiarized straight from the msm.
Is the AP running chat gpt to create the 3am news drops?
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