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Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:02 am to Sulu
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I Am Anti-Abortion, But Pro-Choice
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I support an individual’s right to body autonomy, whether it comes to vaccines or abortion. We all have an inherent, God-given right to autonomy. There is no constitution or legislative body that can grant this to us.
Agreed.
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I find it puzzling so many ‘conservatives’ disagree and actually want the government, at any level, to infringe on these inherent rights.
I disagree with the SCOTUS holding and fear this will initiate a new era of judicial activism that will come back to haunt the right.
I think the problem here is that abortion isn't technically a constitutional right, which is why Roe v. Wade should have never been ruled the way it was. Unless congress drafts and ratifies a bill to amend the constitution to make it a constitutional right, it should always go to the states per the 10th amendment.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:02 am to Sulu
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Sulu
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I Am Anti-Abortion, But Pro-Choice
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I find it puzzling so many ‘conservatives’ disagree
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Registered on: 2/9/2022
Nope…you guys suck at this.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:04 am to Sulu
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Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are three unalienable rights the Declaration of Independence references.
Yet you support the taking away of these inalienable rights from the baby...
In reality, you are just a hypocrite trying to use fuzzy logic to ride the fence.
Anti-abortion while pro-choice is the cowards position because you know it's wrong but too scared to opposed it.
This post was edited on 6/26/22 at 9:05 am
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:06 am to Sulu
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God-given right to autonomy.
Uh, God's given right to women was to bear children, not abort them. It was man who gave women that choice, not God. Show me in the Bible where He said their right is to decide to have or have not children and then I'll shut up.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:07 am to Sulu
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Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are three unalienable rights the Declaration of Independence references.
Yes.
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But they are not the only unalienable rights we have.
Correct.
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Another one is the right to bear arms.
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The constitution does not grant this right; it simply states what is already true, that the right to bear arms cannot be infringed by the government.
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I don’t need a clause in the Constitution to tell the Government can’t infringe on my life, liberty, or pursuit of happiness. I already have that right.
Ok.
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Any Government telling me what to do with my body, whether it’s to take a vaccine or banning abortion, is not the direction we want this country going.
You don't have a basic right to kill another human being and deprive them of those same God Given rights.
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This is about basic rights.
No. This is about the demand to take away another human being's right. You feel you have the right to do so. You do not.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:07 am to Sulu
Now women have a choice of which state meets ber needs.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:08 am to Sulu
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I support an individual’s right to body autonomy, whether it comes to vaccines or abortion.
Abortion is concerning two bodies not one.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:10 am to theenemy
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Yet you support the taking away of these inalienable rights from the baby...
Correct
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:12 am to theenemy
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Yet you support the taking away of these inalienable rights from the baby...
In reality, you are just a hypocrite trying to use fuzzy logic to ride the fence.
Anti-abortion while pro-choice is the cowards position because you know it's wrong but too scared to opposed it.
How exactly is that cowardly? I personally think abortion is unethical in most cases, as most that get them are using them as a form of birth control. But just because I think that way, does that mean the government should have control over a woman's decision to get one? Why is that okay but vaccine mandates aren't (and for the record, I am strongly AGAINST vax mandates)? Both parties' opposing viewpoints on the issues of abortion and vax mandates, at least in my eyes, are illogical.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:14 am to ElRoos
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How exactly is that cowardly? I personally think abortion is unethical in most cases, as most that get them are using them as a form of birth control. But just because I think that way, does that mean the government should have control over a woman's decision to get one? Why is that okay but vaccine mandates aren't (and for the record, I am strongly AGAINST vax mandates)? Both parties' opposing viewpoints on the issues of abortion and vax mandates, at least in my eyes, are illogical.
We should not legislate morality in most cases, but this is an exception as it should never be legal to kill another human person. Even if that person is smaller than a penny
This post was edited on 6/26/22 at 9:16 am
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:15 am to Revelator
What I find amazing here is that the use of "God Given" and in the same breath demand that God gave them a right to kill a baby.
In the text of the Constitution, that "right" appears nowhere.
In the God Given text, (Bible), this is nowhere to be found either.
In the text of the Constitution, that "right" appears nowhere.
In the God Given text, (Bible), this is nowhere to be found either.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:15 am to Sulu
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I support an individual’s right to body autonomy
What about that baby’s right to body autonomy? It’s an individual. Just because it can’t speak for itself doesn’t mean it doesn’t have rights too.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:15 am to ElRoos
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How exactly is that cowardly? I personally think abortion is unethical in most cases,
Stop there.
If it's wrong it's wrong.
Trying to justify a wrong act because you are too afraid to oppose what is wrong....is cowardly.
This post was edited on 6/26/22 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:16 am to Sulu
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I find it puzzling so many ‘conservatives’ disagree and actually want the government, at any level, to infringe on these inherent rights. I disagree with the SCOTUS holding and fear this will initiate a new era of judicial activism that will come back to haunt the right.

Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:18 am to Sulu
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This is about basic rights of the mother over those of the fetus/child.
FIFY
I will concede that the constitution is not clear on when those rights begin but...
Every sane adult understands that having sex can result in a pregnancy. People need to have more self-control and/or personal responsibility.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:19 am to Sulu
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I find it puzzling so many ‘conservatives’ disagree and actually want the government, at any level, to infringe on these inherent rights.
The decision is not a govt mandate. It's the removal of a govt mandate. You should like the decision. Every student of freedom understands that decisions should be made at the closest level to the individual. The states are closer than the feds.
An individual state can even vote to make it even closer to the individual by ruling 'each city in our state will decide whether abortion is allowed or not.'
It was done with alcohol. La. had dry and wet areas.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:21 am to Sulu
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a new era of judicial activism
You should feel bad for being this stupid and refrain from starting topics.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:21 am to ElRoos
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does that mean the government should have control over a woman's decision to get one?
What we have a failure to communicate here.
Here is the part you are not reading. ALL God Given rights are applied to every human.
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Why is that okay but vaccine mandates aren't (and for the record,
This comparison is not the same. These are literally the polar opposite.
A vaccine mandate is a gov forcing a person to take the vaccine.
To be equal to that, it would require the GOV to force you to have an abortion.
Then your comment would be accurate.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:24 am to catholictigerfan
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We should not legislate morality in most cases, but this is an exception as it should never be legal to kill another human person. Even if that person is smaller than a penny
This is precisely why I am fine with overturning Roe v. Wade. States that have already passed legislation for this can ban it and eventually if voters want it legalized, that can also be voted on.
This post was edited on 6/26/22 at 9:25 am
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