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re: I am a conservative who believes the job of teaching is under paid
Posted on 6/20/19 at 2:00 pm to LSUFanHouston
Posted on 6/20/19 at 2:00 pm to LSUFanHouston
That’s dumb. You’re lumping in lawyers and finance majors with teachers. That’s maybe dumber than comparing to the overall median salary.
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Posted on 6/20/19 at 2:00 pm to ShortyRob
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2. Allow people to become teachers without having an "Education" degree.
Teaching is two parts:
1) Subject matter
2) Ability to run a classroom and communicate that subject matter to minors.
I'm pretty good at what I do. In fact, I'm so good at what I do, that I teach, on average, about 150 hours a year of continuing education to other professionals. In addition, I usually give presentations/speeches at about 2 dozen events a year.
There is no goddamn way I can walk cold into a high school classroom and be a great teacher, even if I was teaching in my area of knowledge. I know this, because twice a year, I teach Junior Achievement classes to high school students. Everything is provided for me, lesson plans, handouts, etc, and I still have trouble with it.
You don't need an education degree - that's why there are alternative paths. But, to say that someone can walk in cold without any study in the field of teaching, is absolutely insane.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 2:01 pm to yatesdog38
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that's a farce that they have far more options than most of us. Do you work at mcdonald's or something?
81% of Americans retire after they reach the age of 60.
How are you possibly under the impression that most people retire before they hit 60?
A teacher in Mississippi could start teaching at the age of 22, right out of college with a teaching degree, work for 40 years, and retire at 62 much better off than most Americans are when they retire. If she waited just 3 more years she'd get her pension and social security benefits. 3 more years after that and she'd get your mythical 100% salary payout number on top of her social security benefits. This is a pipe dream for most Americans.
ETA: If she went to school while teaching she could get automatic raises for getting a master's degree or better on top of all of that. In what other field do people get raises simply because they got a higher degree without changing jobs or duties whatsoever?
This post was edited on 6/20/19 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 6/20/19 at 2:02 pm to pizzatiger
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If you fired all of the bad teachers in other parts of the state, you'd have no teachers. They deserve to be fired but whatcha gonna do. Nobody else wants the job.
that's exactly the point I was trying to make, thank you
Posted on 6/20/19 at 2:02 pm to Dawgfanman
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Are we gonna adjust the teachers salary to reflect 12 months of work?
We should adjust the teacher's salary to reflect the number of hours a year they work, compared to those other professions.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 2:02 pm to BigJim
I've seen plenty enough evidence of this with some teachers being let go in the middle of the school year.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 2:03 pm to the808bass
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That’s dumb. You’re lumping in lawyers and finance majors with teachers. That’s maybe dumber than comparing to the overall median salary.
It's only dumb if you undervalue the worth of a teacher, compared to a lawyer and a finance major.
I know a lot of underemployed lawyers who are as dumb as a pile of rocks.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 2:04 pm to LSUFanHouston
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We should adjust the teacher's salary to reflect the number of hours a year they work, compared to those other professions.
Oh that would not work out well for teachers.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 2:04 pm to LSUFanHouston
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We should adjust the teacher's salary to reflect the number of hours a year they work, compared to those other professions.
Do you think they work, on average, more or less than other professionals?
Posted on 6/20/19 at 2:06 pm to the808bass
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False. Only about 1 in 500 tenured teachers are fired for poor performance.
They are generally removed (as in "not retained") before becoming tenured. If a tenured teacher is fired, the reason is typically in the news.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 2:06 pm to LSUFanHouston
Then to truly compare Apples to Apples you need to do the math for all the time off they have.
A normal teacher works 180 days. The normal job works like 250 days.
My wife is a 3rd grade teacher. Works at one of the better schools in our area. Her pay this year was right at 51K. She has a 12% raise taking affect in July. So her pay is going up to like 57k. So plans on getting her masters in the next year or two so that will be another like 7K a year.
But even not taking the masters into account just her making 57K on 180 is equal to like $35 an hour if you break it down to a 45 hour work week.
Would I love for my wife to make more money? Of course. Do I think she is underpaid. No not at all.
A normal teacher works 180 days. The normal job works like 250 days.
My wife is a 3rd grade teacher. Works at one of the better schools in our area. Her pay this year was right at 51K. She has a 12% raise taking affect in July. So her pay is going up to like 57k. So plans on getting her masters in the next year or two so that will be another like 7K a year.
But even not taking the masters into account just her making 57K on 180 is equal to like $35 an hour if you break it down to a 45 hour work week.
Would I love for my wife to make more money? Of course. Do I think she is underpaid. No not at all.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 2:12 pm to GatorReb
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My wife is a 3rd grade teacher. Works at one of the better schools in our area. Her pay this year was right at 51K. She has a 12% raise taking affect in July. So her pay is going up to like 57k. So plans on getting her masters in the next year or two so that will be another like 7K a year.
But would she work for the same money in a failing school system? That's the whole point. Good school districts attract good teachers and pay can be adequate if it's a lower COL area. Bad school districts are desperate. And sometimes they're in high COL areas.
This post was edited on 6/20/19 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 6/20/19 at 2:13 pm to Dawgfanman
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Do you think they work, on average, more or less than other professionals?
I think the average teacher works less than the average other licensed professional.
I make 3 times what my wife makes as a teacher. I'm not working 3 times as much.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 2:14 pm to LSUFanHouston
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You don't need an education degree - that's why there are alternative paths. But, to say that someone can walk in cold without any study in the field of teaching, is absolutely insane.
And yet college professors do it all the time.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 2:14 pm to LSUFanHouston
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I think the average teacher works less than the average other licensed professional. I make 3 times what my wife makes as a teacher. I'm not working 3 times as much.
Do people in your field typically retire with a pension prior to 60?
Posted on 6/20/19 at 2:15 pm to GatorReb
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So her pay is going up to like 57k.
that's not bad at all.
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So plans on getting her masters in the next year or two so that will be another like 7K a year.
Sounds like she works for a district that values education. My wife makes less than 2K extra a year for having a masters.
Paying a 3rd grade teacher 64K a year with a masters degree is really on the high end.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 2:16 pm to Walter Kovacs
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If she waited just 3 more years she'd get her pension and social security benefits.
Then Mississippi has it better than Louisiana, because this cannot be done here...at least not fully (not even remotely close to fully actually).
Posted on 6/20/19 at 2:16 pm to Dawgfanman
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Do people in your field typically retire with a pension prior to 60?
Would you take a 2/3 pay cut for a pension?
Posted on 6/20/19 at 2:16 pm to the808bass
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And yet college professors do it all the time.
Surely there is a difference between teaching adults, and high schoolers / kids?
Posted on 6/20/19 at 2:17 pm to pizzatiger
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Would you take a 2/3 pay cut for a pension?
Would I get to work only 2/3rd the hours and be virtually guaranteed of never being fired?
This post was edited on 6/20/19 at 2:19 pm
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