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re: How would you Balance the Budget and Pay off the Debt?

Posted on 8/7/19 at 9:46 am to
Posted by BlackAdam
Member since Jan 2016
7045 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 9:46 am to
That is literally impossible. Remember Mandatory spending is $2.6 Trillion, and Defense is $625 billion. Interest on the debt is another 315 Billion, so if the government eliminates all non defense discretionary spending we are just barely running a surplus. It would take 200 years to pay off the debt.

To right the ship there should be an extensive package of reform to the four biggest drivers of our budget, Medicare, SS, and Medicaid on the entitlement side, and defense on the discretionary side.

The other solution is to increase revenues, by decreasing tax rates and broadening the tax base. More than half the nation should have a federal tax liability. Negative tax rates should not exist.

The last step is to reduce discretionary spending overall. Set a realistic target of a 3% reduction over 10 years.

Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
112547 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:00 am to
1) direct every agency/department (except Defense) cut their budget by 10% (actual cut, not reduction in built in increase)

2) direct Defense to freeze its budget for 5 years

3) Eliminate the following departments - Education, Energy, Commerce (shifting important agency functions [e.g., NOAA, NWS, NRC] to other departments).

4) Merge Agriculture and Interior and cut their budget (and staff) by 30%

5) leave taxes alone (other than gasoline/fuel taxes - double those)

6) create an "opt out" of SS for anyone under 45 (SS would still get the "employer's" share [or self employment "half"], but the other half would be the person's to invest [there would be requirements]) - this would still put $$$ into the system, but would significantly reduce the # of future beneficiaries
This post was edited on 8/7/19 at 10:03 am
Posted by TigerSprings
Southeast LA
Member since Jan 2019
2365 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:16 am to
Put numbers on it. We are trying to cut 2-3 trillion dollars. All welfare and military only adds up to about $1.7T.

DOE is only about $70 B
1/4 Military $640 B
10% of Discr Spending is about $120 B
WOD is $40 B
IRS $11 B

You need more cuts.
Posted by TigerSprings
Southeast LA
Member since Jan 2019
2365 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:17 am to
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Cut programs that aren’t necessary. Cut departments that aren’t necessary.


This assumes annual revenue increase each year. Which does happen, but it takes a long time.
Posted by TigerSprings
Southeast LA
Member since Jan 2019
2365 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:19 am to
Foreign Aid is about $25B
Posted by Brosef Stalin
Member since Dec 2011
41614 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:20 am to
The debt will never be paid off and will never significantly decrease.
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
39349 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:22 am to
This government can't function without deficit spending. Not condoning it, that's just the cold hard reality.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38461 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:25 am to
quote:

How would you Balance the Budget and Pay off the Debt?
I would raise taxes - at least back to 2017 levels - and I would cut spending fairly drastically. That would hopefully close most of the deficit. I'd be relatively unconcerned with paying off the debt, although if you forced me to, I'd probably mint a $10Trillion coin and deposit it in the Treasury. That would essentially reduce out debt exposure to the size of domestic holders' bonds.
Posted by zatetic
Member since Nov 2015
5677 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:25 am to
The debt is far beyond that number if you are including future obligations.

The only real way to do it is to go Andrew Jackson and get rid of the federal reserve. And purge the country of quite a few unscrupulous members of society.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
84453 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:26 am to
quote:

I'd probably mint a $10Trillion coin and deposit it in the Treasury.
Posted by Magician2
Member since Oct 2015
14553 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:31 am to
quote:

I would raise taxes - at least back to 2017 levels - and I would cut spending fairly drastically. That would hopefully close most of the deficit. I'd be relatively unconcerned with paying off the debt, although if you forced me to, I'd probably mint a $10Trillion coin and deposit it in the Treasury. That would essentially reduce out debt exposure to the size of domestic holders' bonds.


Which spending would you cut drastically?


Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62567 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:35 am to
quote:

I would raise taxes - at least back to 2017 levels - and I would cut spending fairly drastically. That would hopefully close most of the deficit.
someone’s not very good at math.

quote:

I'd probably mint a $10Trillion coin and deposit it in the Treasury. That would essentially reduce out debt exposure to the size of domestic holders' bonds.
good grief.
Posted by TigerSprings
Southeast LA
Member since Jan 2019
2365 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:37 am to
The first 5 things probably cut 300-400 B.

No idea the impact of 6.
Posted by yatesdog38
in your head rent free
Member since Sep 2013
12737 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:40 am to
You will never pay off all of the federal debt. You can reduce it but not having any leverage means the federal government is sitting on idle cash that could be used somewhere. Yes we have too much debt.
Posted by TigerSprings
Southeast LA
Member since Jan 2019
2365 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:42 am to
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mint a $10Trillion coin


This would cause hyper inflation and poor people would suffer greatly. Only manufacturing jobs would even stand a chance at keeping up.

I do not think it would cause war with other countries, but they would be super pissed.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
112547 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:42 am to
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No idea the impact of 6.


Actuarially, it would be huge.

You would see the "inversion" date for SS (when payouts exceed revenue) jump into the future by probably 40-50 years.

Also, the opt outs (who would still be obligated to put in at least the same percentage into a retirement account [they could put more if they wished]) would have to use investment vehicles composed of at least 50% government securities - which will help.
Posted by Tiger985
Member since Nov 2006
7465 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:45 am to
It's never going to happen and the reasons are not complicated.

There are only 4 pieces to the budget.

Social Security
Medicare/Medicaid
Defense
Interest on debt.

Everything else comes from an insignificant tiny slice of the pie yet it seems to be what everyone bitches about as a distraction. Foreign Aid, public television,. etc.

You can't do anything about the interest on debt. You have to pay it.

And We the People are not going to elect anyone who runs on cutting Social Security or Medicare. On the contrary, many want those programs expanded!!

Same for Defense spending.

Paying off or paying down the debt is just a political issue both parties use when they are not in power and the sheep eat it up.

Even the biggest deficit/debt Hawks aren't truly willing to do what it would take to payoff debt or even shrink the deficit.

No one here either.

Want to see your parents or grandparents SS benefits slashed or means tested?

Want retirement raised to 75 or 80?

Not happening.
Posted by TigerSprings
Southeast LA
Member since Jan 2019
2365 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:45 am to
Maybe this is the destroy the dollar and get it over with fast approach.
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14936 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:46 am to
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create an "opt out" of SS for anyone under 45 (SS would still get the "employer's" share [or self employment "half"], but the other half would be the person's to invest [there would be requirements]) - this would still put $$$ into the system, but would significantly reduce the # of future beneficiaries
That sounds sorta workable. Can you point to a link that discusses the pro and cons of such a proposal?
Posted by WorkinDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
9341 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:50 am to
There is no way to balance the budget, much less pay off debt, without significant changes to Social Security and Medicare.

Avg life expectancy was 61 years old when SS started in 1935. It's now nearing 80. These two programs are unsustainable.
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