re: How would a war with China look?

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How would it look ? To us, theatre mode, to them, letterbox.

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so bad

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Would it go nuclear?

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Maybe.

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Can we defeat them?

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Yes, even if it goes nuclear and we are defeated too.

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How long would it take ?

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Depends if and when it goes nuclear.

You see, in spite of the anti-western, anti-US sentiment that floods the airwaves these days, the world-at-large still has a shared threat when looking at China objectively. Everyone knows that China has ALWAYS sought total world domination. But these politicians in other countries have been ok with Chini paying them for secrets, because they can still sleep in their warm bed in their relatively safe nations. That would change, however, if they suddenly saw the real possibility of China taking over their country.

It would take an act such as Chini moving on Taiwan to catalyze it, but it would be WWIII and a concerted effort against China (and their puppet-State NoKo) if that happened. We'd just have to see how long Xi would hold off the entirety of Western Civilization before choosing to split atoms.

But if it makes you feel any better, all the above reasons are even more the reason not to worry about direct conflict with Chini. Their primary source of income for their entire nation is based upon trade with the US. You embargo their goods and their paper tiger economy would absolutely implode within weeks. The timing is just not right for China to start a physical move towards world domination. They've been far more successful spreading their influence covertly and tactfully throughout North America, Africa, Europe and the middle-east.

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Your scenario of attacking the grid, though, is a likely one. And I’d guess there would be other infrastructure attacked as well - refineries?

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Wouldn't do any good. The presidents of the last 30 years or so all campaigned on fixing our crumbling infrastructure and we have had billions of tax dollars thrown at energy issues. I am sure everything has been shored up by now.

It really depends on what each side is trying to accomplish. If China wants to be a super power and replace the United States, that's one thing, if they are just trying to secure the routes for natural resources, that's a different fight.

Agree completely on the oil embargo on the sea side of things. China is working on an overland route to get oil, but that could be stopped at the point of origin.

Walking back the south China sea atolls and manmade islands would be similar to WWII and Japan, difficult but doable. I think there would be a stall after pushing their forces back to the mainland. They could readily defend their borders leveraging their only advantage which is in numbers. However, that is a weakness as feeding that population while trying to mobilize for war is tough. It's even harder when their country is so resource poor that they have a tough time feeding them in peacetime.

Throw in a few partners like Japan, S. Korea and Vietnam while China is in border protection mode while starving for food, fuel and other resources and the outlook is bleak for China.

That's when the nuclear option gets serious. But, China's, inaccurate weapons would be met with precision (possible nuclear) strikes and we would be back to China playing defense while starving.

It would take a long time, cost a lot in treasure and blood, but it's doable.

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Throw in a few partners like Japan, S. Korea and Vietnam while China is in border protection mode while starving for food, fuel and other resources and the outlook is bleak for China.

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People who are in this irrational "hate America, fear China" mode simply don't realize how China cannot function without a ton of imports.

We would have a lower SOL, but we can survive. Now, this brings up other global political issues relating to our relationships with other developed countries, which we have shite on since 2025, which would complicate the potential group effort to starve out China...but ultimately we could force it with our navy and air power. We could, for instance, ensure no Brazilian soybeans ever make it to China, if Brazil wants to take China's side.

Russia becomes a variable for petro, but they are incredibly weak due to Ukraine and joining China's side gives the green light for all of Europe to go for it, which countries like Poland, I imagine, would gladly take advantage of. Russia would risk losing all of Ukraine, setting up Ukraine to surpass Russia, and Russia getting absolutely butt fricked within its borders. I doubt Putin is that stupid.

This is all non-nuclear, obviously.

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Modern American is a death cult at this point

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We should provoke them into a war. They would use nukes and blow up NYC, Wash DC and Calif. We should then say, "OK, let's make a truce." We would then have unpresented economic and political success and totally surpass anything they could do.

That would be funny if China makes the same mistake as Germany, creating another temporary alliance between Russia and the West

China's population claims don't seem to add up when you look at the data.

Remember the ghost cities that they built?

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How would it look ? To us, theatre mode, to them, letterbox.

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