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How should a politician vote - conscience or constituency
Posted on 2/25/21 at 6:42 am
Posted on 2/25/21 at 6:42 am
The Cassidy thing has me thinking.
There are always votes that come up on issues that were never discussed during the election or campaign. Should the politician vote yes or no based on how he feels about the issue or should he vote yes or no based on how he believes the majority of his constituents would vote? Should you do the peoples' will or do you get to do your will because you gained the support of the people through the election?
Obviously this doesn't consider reelection issues, etc. It also doesn't consider any nefarious dealings, I'm assuming regardless of how the politician votes, it will be because he feels, rightly or wrongly, that it is in the best interest of his constituency.
Just a simple, straightforward hypo.
There are always votes that come up on issues that were never discussed during the election or campaign. Should the politician vote yes or no based on how he feels about the issue or should he vote yes or no based on how he believes the majority of his constituents would vote? Should you do the peoples' will or do you get to do your will because you gained the support of the people through the election?
Obviously this doesn't consider reelection issues, etc. It also doesn't consider any nefarious dealings, I'm assuming regardless of how the politician votes, it will be because he feels, rightly or wrongly, that it is in the best interest of his constituency.
Just a simple, straightforward hypo.
This post was edited on 2/25/21 at 6:46 am
Posted on 2/25/21 at 6:43 am to The Johnny Lawrence
Best representation of his/her constituency...
Posted on 2/25/21 at 6:43 am to The Johnny Lawrence
1st politicians have no conscience, and 2nd they should follow the Constitution and what's best for the country.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 6:46 am to baybeefeetz
Thanks. It's still early.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 6:49 am to The Johnny Lawrence
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How should a politician vote - conscience or constituency
One would think the two would be the same.
This is the problem with career politicians. Yes?
Posted on 2/25/21 at 6:51 am to The Johnny Lawrence
I think constituency up to a point. There are frequently political issues that don’t come down firmly for or against one’s personal convictions and values. In those cases I would give a very strong preference to the will of the voters. If the will of the voters trampled on some basic freedoms I’d vote my conscience and they could vote theirs at the next election.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 6:52 am to The Johnny Lawrence
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There are always votes that come up on issues that were never discussed during the election or campaign
Issues don't arise out of the blue with the need to be decided that day. With the technology we have, any smart representative would put out a poll to their constituents and stay in touch with the people they represent. Imagine when the next election comes around having the ability to say that they care about the voice of those they represent.
But, most politicians are bought and paid for by lobbyists, so they don't really care what their constituents want, nor do they want them to know how they voted on certain issues.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 6:54 am to The Johnny Lawrence
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How should a politician vote - conscience or constituency
Constituency, unless you want to be a traitor like McCain.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 6:58 am to The Johnny Lawrence
Well, if they were being honest when they were running, their constituency would have elected them because they trusted their conscience.
The problem is these politicians or lying taint stains and only trying to empower/enrich themselves
The problem is these politicians or lying taint stains and only trying to empower/enrich themselves
This post was edited on 2/25/21 at 6:59 am
Posted on 2/25/21 at 6:58 am to The Johnny Lawrence
Theoretically, if they fail to align with their constituents then they're voted out come reelection time.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 7:01 am to Flats
One’s personal convictions and values should be let known before being elected. Then not set aside for voting. I suppose this is idealistic view.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 7:03 am to The Johnny Lawrence
Both.
In fact, their conscience should be why their constituents voted for them in the first place.
Why are only a few Republicans still loved? Most betray both.
Rand Paul is one of the few Repubs that keeps a conscience but betrays his constituents (this is a detriment to him)
In fact, their conscience should be why their constituents voted for them in the first place.
Why are only a few Republicans still loved? Most betray both.
Rand Paul is one of the few Repubs that keeps a conscience but betrays his constituents (this is a detriment to him)
Posted on 2/25/21 at 7:05 am to The Johnny Lawrence
If you say you’re following the constitution- be able to cite to the constitutional principle that allows a show trial of a private citizen based on hearsay evidence, altered evidence, speculation and no due process.
Don’t tell me you’re “principled” when you can’t even point to what principle it is you are allegedly upholding.
Voting based on your “conscience” is based on nothing other than your own subjective feeling.
Oh and frick Bill Cassidy.
Don’t tell me you’re “principled” when you can’t even point to what principle it is you are allegedly upholding.
Voting based on your “conscience” is based on nothing other than your own subjective feeling.
Oh and frick Bill Cassidy.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 7:06 am to themunch
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One’s personal convictions and values should be let known before being elected. Then not set aside for voting. I suppose this is idealistic view.
Absolutely. I’m just saying that a lot of issues aren’t going to violate those regardless of which way you vote. In those cases I would give a lot of weight to the will of the constituency.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 7:08 am to The Johnny Lawrence
Here’s the bigger issue:
Dims don’t vote either of the two. They vote for whichever way they perceive is contrary to the opposition. Then, they go on a PR, propaganda, and smear campaign to convince their constituents their position is holy and righteous, and any opposition to it is evil, racist, sexist, homophobic, or any other card they want to pull.
AND PEOPLE BUY THAT CRAP!!!! Because, as a whole, Americans are simple-minded, immoral, govt bought and dependent.
Dims don’t vote either of the two. They vote for whichever way they perceive is contrary to the opposition. Then, they go on a PR, propaganda, and smear campaign to convince their constituents their position is holy and righteous, and any opposition to it is evil, racist, sexist, homophobic, or any other card they want to pull.
AND PEOPLE BUY THAT CRAP!!!! Because, as a whole, Americans are simple-minded, immoral, govt bought and dependent.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 7:15 am to The Johnny Lawrence
If the Founders had wanted direct democracy (or governance by polling), they would have written the Constitution quite differently.
The presumption is that elected representatives will be (or become) better.informed than the mob. On average, I think history bears this out.
It is my fervent opinion that far more than half the population lacks the intelligence to even select representatives, much less set policy on specific issues.
The presumption is that elected representatives will be (or become) better.informed than the mob. On average, I think history bears this out.
It is my fervent opinion that far more than half the population lacks the intelligence to even select representatives, much less set policy on specific issues.
This post was edited on 2/25/21 at 7:25 am
Posted on 2/25/21 at 7:17 am to Snipe
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One would think the two would be the same.
nah.
you need to account for companies, the 1% or at least top 5%, the base, your own values and the region and the nation.
only a few issues are even in the awareness of the general public.
the whole point of having senators is so the mob doesnt run the nation.
constituents are most easily influenced by mass communication such as potus can do and by religious leaders based on carefully selected mythology that adherents were trained since childhood to believe in.
This post was edited on 2/25/21 at 7:19 am
Posted on 2/25/21 at 7:18 am to The Maj
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Best representation of his/her constituency...
. . . consistent with the Constitution of the USA and those issues you specifically and clearly campaigned on during your election.
If you had a fundamental belief that you knew was 'unpopular' with your constituency, then you were obligated to be honest with them during the election. If you did that, and they elected you anyway, then vote your conscience = your constituency has already given you their approval for that in exchange for your support of other issues they agreed on.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 7:19 am to The Johnny Lawrence
Cassidy should go into an area wherein those who DISAGREE with his chosen position are, and engage in an open debate. He should answer whether or not - in this instance - he observed all the security Videos of massive voter fraud, the many sworn Affidavits and the virtually impossible 'anomalies' in vote counting mechanisms which coincide with election workers corruption. Not to mention that the Mechanisms were OPEN to Internet manipulation.
Cassidy - like many - are either woefully ignorant - by choice - or blatantly dishonest, by choice.
The primary task of an elected official is to engage with those whose opinions differ from their own, and either persuade via powerful argument...or be persuaded. And if there can be no agreement, then vote, and bear the consequence. The 'consequences' in this current societal dynamic are staggering and profound, with the Left pushing to silence ALL honest criticism and brand such as 'insurrection'/'sedition'.
Bill Cassidy is in way over his head; a lot of these politicos who just wanted to get on the status and financial security train are. They don't realize that THEY will be held accountable, if or when dysfunction prevails because of perceived corruption toward "fundamental change".
Cassidy - like many - are either woefully ignorant - by choice - or blatantly dishonest, by choice.
The primary task of an elected official is to engage with those whose opinions differ from their own, and either persuade via powerful argument...or be persuaded. And if there can be no agreement, then vote, and bear the consequence. The 'consequences' in this current societal dynamic are staggering and profound, with the Left pushing to silence ALL honest criticism and brand such as 'insurrection'/'sedition'.
Bill Cassidy is in way over his head; a lot of these politicos who just wanted to get on the status and financial security train are. They don't realize that THEY will be held accountable, if or when dysfunction prevails because of perceived corruption toward "fundamental change".
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