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re: How much money would our country save if we didn't have to fund military bases all over

Posted on 6/9/21 at 11:41 am to
Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
83084 posts
Posted on 6/9/21 at 11:41 am to
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I can understand having a few bases around the world for fast strike capabilities or naval resupply but it makes no sense why we are all over Europe. Europe is not third world. They can protect themselves.


If you think we have military bases in Europe solely for their protection, then you truly are a fricking idiot.
Posted by Pecker
Rocky Top
Member since May 2015
16674 posts
Posted on 6/9/21 at 11:48 am to
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Military spending is a blip on the radar.

Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14675 posts
Posted on 6/9/21 at 12:26 pm to
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All over the world?


Well, to know that, we'd have to know whether the US is going to jump up and save the Brits, or the surrender monkey French, Spain, Italy, the rest of Europe and the middle east, when Russia, Germany, China, Iran or a combination of those decide to roll them, won't we?

Because if we are, it's not going to come cheap in blood or treasure.
This post was edited on 6/9/21 at 12:36 pm
Posted by seawolf06
NH
Member since Oct 2007
8159 posts
Posted on 6/9/21 at 12:46 pm to
Especially all over the USA
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296201 posts
Posted on 6/9/21 at 12:48 pm to
Arent there like 800 installations around the world?

Insanity. The MIC has convinced the public that this is in their best interest and the very average American agrees.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14675 posts
Posted on 6/9/21 at 1:13 pm to
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Arent there like 800 installations around the world?

Insanity. The MIC has convinced the public that this is in their best interest and the very average American agrees.



The MIC. Here we go. Can you name any single thing that our federal government doesn’t do to grotesque excess, besides abiding by the limits in the Constitution?

The very average American doesn’t know or care that we have 800 installations around the world. Those of us who do know it, still see it as a drop in the bucket of federal spending. Do you think the very average American realizes the billions of dollars we spend every year on criminal illegals that we let walk across our southern border every year? If they did, would they care? If they cared about that, do you think we would have 800 installations around the world, and trillions in domestic spending every year on absolute unconstitutional bullshite?
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
40930 posts
Posted on 6/9/21 at 1:19 pm to
It isn't a coincidence that the size of our government has exploded since the end of World War II. The United States will NEVER have a limited government so long as we police the world. This isn't just about saving money. A government that feels it has a moral obligation to use force and violence to save the world or remake it in its image will inevitably use force and violence to control its own population. We have abandoned the advice of our Founding Fathers and become the very thing we rebelled against: an empire.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14675 posts
Posted on 6/9/21 at 1:24 pm to
You libertarian types have a great big boner for military spending, but it is less than 25% of the budget.
Posted by Yoda Baby
Member since May 2021
128 posts
Posted on 6/9/21 at 1:28 pm to
Hardly any to be honest. Anyone that tells you otherwise is an ignorant dumbass.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
40930 posts
Posted on 6/9/21 at 1:37 pm to
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You libertarian types have a great big boner for military spending, but it is less than 25% of the budget.

It's not just about the spending. For 75 years, Americans have been conditioned to believe that American military intervention solves the world's problems. We have been conditioned to believe that the use of force and violence is a positive thing. This acceptance doesn't exist in a vacuum. When we accept that force and violence to achieve an end is desirable, governments will exploit that in every other sector. It's why half this country agrees with the prog agenda.
Posted by BamaCoaster
God's Gulf
Member since Apr 2016
6617 posts
Posted on 6/9/21 at 1:39 pm to
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Not nearly as much if we cut entitlements to freeloading citizens.


False.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296201 posts
Posted on 6/9/21 at 1:39 pm to
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but it is less than 25% of the budget.


Far out of whack.

Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
53709 posts
Posted on 6/9/21 at 1:41 pm to
I’m not sure but OAN is running an illegal alien debt ticker and so far in 2021 illegal immigrants have cost American taxpayers over $170 billion.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14675 posts
Posted on 6/9/21 at 1:43 pm to
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When we accept that force and violence to achieve an end is desirable,


I would guess you guys would call myself and nearly everyone I associate with neocons, but nobody I know would say force and violence to achieve and end is desirable. Necessary? Yep. Unavoidable? That too. Better than kissing some despot’s arse, and letting them take what they want? You bet. Better than having to fight terrorists on American soil? Of course. Only an idiot would say otherwise.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
36389 posts
Posted on 6/9/21 at 1:48 pm to
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Not nearly as much if we cut entitlements to freeloading citizens.
Why can't we do both?
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14965 posts
Posted on 6/9/21 at 1:53 pm to
You realize we used to have 50% of all the military spending in the world.

China has picked up the slack.


I am OK with some less military spending BUT let's not pretend entitlements are not the true problem.



Military spending has been static since the 2000s at around 20% of the budget.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14675 posts
Posted on 6/9/21 at 2:10 pm to
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Far out of whack.


And? What part of our federal government spending isn’t “far out of whack?”

If there’s one sector that I’m okay with ridiculous spending, it’s the one that defends American citizens and their interests at home, and around the world.
Posted by Drizzt
Cimmeria
Member since Aug 2013
14881 posts
Posted on 6/9/21 at 7:29 pm to
frick you TideSaint. What the frick do you think NATO is about? It was about protecting Europe from invasion by USSR. That was the original excuse for all our troops there. Now it’s about having a footprint for us to launch from that is close to Middle East and Africa but that doesn’t change that Europe doesn’t need us there any more. And again go frick yourself moron.
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