re: How much better off we would all be if the South had been permitted to secede

Maybe the U.S.A. and the C.S.A. would have stayed out of WWI.

Had the Kaiser won the world would be better off.

The confederacy wanted to conquer all of LATAM, much more ardent supporters of Manifest Destiny than the North was. The entire Western Hemisphere would have been American domain

Slavery would have gone away inevitably due to international trade pressure (primarily, UK and French)

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I bleed red, white & battle flag, but the way things turned out was best for the citizens of this country as a whole.

A nation divided would not be as strong as a whole

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Totally agree. We wouldn't be
a dominant world power if we were divided and probably would've continued having conflicts between the North and South.

So if the South eventually abolishes slavery, what does it do with millions of blacks?

And don't think abolitionists in the North would have been training and funding guerrilla warfare by slaves at some point.

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And probably pretty quickly.

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How quickly?

If you were a slave I'd say lower than snake shite.
Rich planters would have been rich longer that's for sure.
The poor whites in the South no doubt would have fought in a war further down the road.

Hope that helps.

Abe had a plan to send them back to the continent if Africa. Some went, but I don't think it was very many. Maybe something a long those lines

Hank Williams told us what I would've been like

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How many oil and gas deposits got stolen that is paying off today.?

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You just explained how Huey P. Long was born.

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How does the south winning and prolonging slavery help those issues?

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You are confusing the south “winning” with being “allowed to secede”. I suppose the latter could be considered winning, but I think the point of the scenario is that it would have been without major conflict.

How would it help with those issues? Prolonging slavery is one way to put it, but a forced termination with no plan forward is how it was dealt with. The CSA would have been in better position to develop those terms, instead, former slaves lost all leverage and the south was devastated and still looked down upon to this day for it. Descendants of slaves clearly didn’t get any lasting opportunities out of this, as the places with highest slave populations are the poorest and blackest communities in the country.

Nothing says freedom like “if you leave, we will kill you and burn your cities.” We have the data, put all other world events and any ripple effects aside, the union benefitted much more “winning” the war than any other outcome from the conflict, which includes those of former slaves and their descendants. There is still an enormous wedge in this country that the conflict never solved, and it’s easy to see if you can move beyond the only reason for it was “slavery is bad”.