re: How many of you will be upset if/when Ukraine thwarts Russia?

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It's not relevant

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Ignore final sentence in that meme.

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Russia hasn't invaded a sovereign nation in this manner in defiance of international law since the cold war.

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Yes, that’s what I’m referring to when I say Russia has done this before. Us on the other hand, we absolutely have invaded countries in this manner since the Cold War.

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It's going to cost the world trillions

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Well that’s just a fact regardless of what happens from here.

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I laid it out already. No need to rehash.

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Did you lay out any international conflicts bubbling or just "culture"?

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Did you lay out any international conflicts bubbling or just "culture"?

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I said that it is just a matter of time. It is a prediction. I stand by it.

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How?

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In that we’ve also done this fricking shite. You know this well SFP.

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Y'all are severely underestimating the costs of a world where Russia steals SE Ukraine and how destabilizing that will be to the liberal world order.

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I’ll put it this way: I have a sneaking near certain suspicion that some ally of the World Economic Forum blew up the Nord Stream Pipelines. The attack on the liberal world order is coming from inside the house.

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I'm not even talking about China and Taiwan or NK-SK. Just the costs of the fallout of Russia's behavior.

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Well both you and I know that both would be worse than what’s going on in Ukraine, and that’s not off the 2020s Apocalyptic Bingo Card right now.

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I laid it out already. No need to rehash.

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It doesn't make any sense.

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That being said, you are attempting to tell me what opinion I should have based on my personal experiences. That is really odd.

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I have my own extensive traveling experiences. Those are not relevant to geopolitical discussions though. An example of a geopolitical issue is Portugal trying to create an extended exclusive economic zone which would tie all their island holdings together due to arguments about the continental shelf. Or Greece trying to redefine its maritime boundaries in the Aegean to prevent unfettered Turkish access to the Eastern Mediterranean. References to social issues as 'geopolitical' is exceedingly odd, because there is no geographic boundary at stake. They might have political connotations, but they are not, by definition, tied to the geographic landscape. Those are the major flashpoints that make up all of history, really. I'm asking for an example of that within whatever confines of integrated Europe you want to use.

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I said that it is just a matter of time.

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If the world is destabilized b/c of Russian aggression? Possibly, in some time. Will take a while for the EU and possibly NATO to unwind.

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Has nothing to do with this thread

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Probably not, but it’s impact is far reaching.

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Whomever wants it can have it.

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There isn't a reason to be glib. I'm not trying to tell you your experiences are 'wrong' or anything, I'm saying that geopolitics has a particular definition, and I can't see the argument that cultural issues have a direct geopolitical relationship if there is no specific geographic landmark at stake. For example, if people on one side of the culture war all decided to move Graz and on the other side people decided to make their last stand at Salzburg, and those sides began competing for an in-between region like Trieben, that would make a political issue a geopolitical issue. But the reference to the existence of a culture war by itself isn't 'geopolitical' though I think what you are saying is that it has that potential.

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I said that there is an undercurrent of anger and resentment. I that could (will) lead to civil unrest. That could (will) lead to old divisions resurfacing. That can (will) be tied to Geography. Just my .02.

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Okay, we are on the same page then, just coming at it in completely different directions.

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Are y'all happy with having to spend so much of the SPR to keep oil prices at a level that doesn't destroy our economy?

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And who was it that made the bone-headed decision to tap into our SPR? And then, on top of that, sell a portion of it to China?

There was absolutely NO reason to get into our SPR other than to see it dwindle away as well with NOTHING left to replace it. The current administration is actively working to bring about the collapse of the United States, there can be no other excuse for the actions they have taken on every single front.

Are you good with this? Are you good with not really knowing WHO is running/ruining this nation right now? You're concerned about Russia/Ukraine when our own country is about to become a third world shithole?