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re: How many of you will be upset if/when Ukraine thwarts Russia?
Posted on 10/3/22 at 7:44 am to OleWar
Posted on 10/3/22 at 7:44 am to OleWar
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To me these are two totally different international systems.
It was a progression. Steps towards the same goal.
The goal jus wasn't achievable with the USSR and it's anti-freedom and over-regulatory belief system that runs counter to a system of free trade and transparency (and the increased rights that come with it).
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The second a unipolar world in which the US has squandered its resources and created instability the entire world over through either stupidity or malice.
We certainly have not been perfect, but in spite of our bad acts, the world is more stable and peaceful than literally at any time in human history.
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And except for American elites, Americans as a whole only benefited for a short period of time post World War II.
Not true. The fact that we're having this discussion on magical communications devices in our hands begs to differ.
That sort of progress would not have come in a closed off system. Our radical increase in development of technology and data analysis is specifically due to the liberal world order benefiting the world (again, via the US primarily and with the US benefiting the most).
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Either way, America is dead and there is nothing in this country worth redeeming.
Drama queen.
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Posted on 10/3/22 at 7:44 am to Drizzt
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Yes, when they directly threaten us or our direct interest.
You need to carefully define "direct interest"
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7,000 US troops died in Iraq and Afghanistan and 10s of 1,000s were maimed because of people like you.
I didn't support the war in Iraq or nation building in Afghanistan, though
Posted on 10/3/22 at 7:46 am to Flats
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The need some people have to assign left/right sides to a minor war in Europe is weird as all hell.
Um, have you seen this board? The polarity is thick on here. This board is also obsessed with the OTs thread, which is primarily just updates on the war, as this board tries to create an "other"
Posted on 10/3/22 at 7:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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This board's gone pretty off the rails, dude. I haven't even really changed.
Same here
I haven't changed my stances on anything and I'm considered some lunatic leftist
Posted on 10/3/22 at 7:49 am to TS1926
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per say
per se
p?r sa', se'
adverb
Of, in, or by itself or oneself; intrinsically.
By itself; without consideration of extraneous factors.
As such; as one would expect from the name.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 7:50 am to SlowFlowPro
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This board is also obsessed with the OTs thread,
Its the other way around. I know you just joined that safe space
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which is primarily just updates on the war
Fake updates.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 7:53 am to NC_Tigah
Oh I should have looked at the link further. That wasn't from my thread. It was a 2-pager that died soon after you posted. It wasn't me avoiding your post, you just posted in a dead thread that wasn't seen.
Russia overplayed its hand in 2014 by rejecting the already agreed-upon move to have a relationship with the EU. This was not US manipulation.
Also, Russia overplayed its hand in 2014 by promoting violence from its pro-Russian assets in the Donbas.
They influenced the situation, made a mistake, and gave the US opening to help respond, which is what we did. Again, whatever evil intent you assign to the US, Russia was literally guilty of the same behavior yet prior to our involvement.
Putin realized he fricked up, pulled Yanukovych out, and ultimately backed the 2014 election as legitimate
Just as he accepted the results of the election
Our man didn't even stay in power long and wasn't the guy in charge when Putin invaded, so, again, this argument isn't really relevant...but even so, Russia was more involved, first. They started the aggression in Ukraine and were disrupting the EU and NATO, 2 IOs we have significant interest in respecting/defending.
Russia overplayed its hand in 2014 by rejecting the already agreed-upon move to have a relationship with the EU. This was not US manipulation.
Also, Russia overplayed its hand in 2014 by promoting violence from its pro-Russian assets in the Donbas.
They influenced the situation, made a mistake, and gave the US opening to help respond, which is what we did. Again, whatever evil intent you assign to the US, Russia was literally guilty of the same behavior yet prior to our involvement.
Putin realized he fricked up, pulled Yanukovych out, and ultimately backed the 2014 election as legitimate
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Russia's President Vladimir Putin says Ukraine's presidential election on 25 May is a step "in the right direction".
Just as he accepted the results of the election
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Vladimir Putin has given the strongest indication yet that Russia is defusing its policy towards Ukraine, saying that Moscow will "respect the choice of the Ukrainian people" and work with the country's government after a new president is elected on Sunday.
Our man didn't even stay in power long and wasn't the guy in charge when Putin invaded, so, again, this argument isn't really relevant...but even so, Russia was more involved, first. They started the aggression in Ukraine and were disrupting the EU and NATO, 2 IOs we have significant interest in respecting/defending.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 7:54 am to SlowFlowPro
It seems to me like most folks on here would like to see Putin go down, but stop short of fawning all over the Ukraine. Russia is an isolationist thug and Ukraine is a corruptocracy kept by western puppet masters. Western politicians have found a convenient scapegoat in Russia for virtually ALL their failures and virtue signaling Ukraine gives them the proxy war their backers want while protecting the Ukraine cash cow. And lets not pretend that the west hasnt done much of the provoking that got us here.
Its nothing more than a cripple fight that we want Ukraine to win, but at some point the cost/risk is too great. There needs to be a negotiated peace.
Its nothing more than a cripple fight that we want Ukraine to win, but at some point the cost/risk is too great. There needs to be a negotiated peace.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 7:54 am to SDVTiger
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Fake updates.
As if you have some sort of ability to discern the truth
You're easily a bottom 5 poster on the dumbest forum on the planet
Posted on 10/3/22 at 7:55 am to SDVTiger
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Its the other way around.
When I made this thread, old man JJJ literally had just made a thread specifically talking aboutt the OT. This came after he lost his mind in the actual OT thread like a moonbat.
Take the L and move on.
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Fake updates.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 7:56 am to SlowFlowPro
How many likes did you get on your Ukraine flag?
Posted on 10/3/22 at 7:56 am to Vacherie Saint
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There needs to be a negotiated peace.
Russia removes all military from Ukraine, including Crimea
Russia agrees to respect Ukrainian sovereignty and its decisions relating to international organizations/agreements
Russia pays reparations to Ukraine for its unprovoked aggression
Posted on 10/3/22 at 7:57 am to Strannix
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How many likes did you get on your Ukraine flag?
Never did that. Any other strawman arguments you want to throw out?
Posted on 10/3/22 at 7:58 am to SlowFlowPro
You can spin it how you want but that tjread melts down about this place then they all show up when any thread is posted about Ukraine
You can laugh but i have caught them posting fake twitter updates mutiple times
I mean weewee claims hes getting 1st hand accounts from tinder girls, then flies first class to london then to Kyiv to help the wounded
You can laugh but i have caught them posting fake twitter updates mutiple times
I mean weewee claims hes getting 1st hand accounts from tinder girls, then flies first class to london then to Kyiv to help the wounded
Posted on 10/3/22 at 7:58 am to SlowFlowPro
If those are the terms the war wages on.
but get this... Ukraine was willing to negotiate peace with some ethnic Russian land concessions, but the west blew that up.
I guess we havent learned anything.
but get this... Ukraine was willing to negotiate peace with some ethnic Russian land concessions, but the west blew that up.
I guess we havent learned anything.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 7:58 am to JJJimmyJimJames
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per se p?r sa', se' adverb Of, in, or by itself or oneself; intrinsically. By itself; without consideration of extraneous factors. As such; as one would expect from the name.
You got me.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:00 am to SDVTiger
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You can laugh but i have caught them posting fake twitter updates mutiple times
Dude somebody bumped a thread, I think that you or STrannix made in June, with your "legitimate updates" claiming Ukraine was about to break...in June.
It's early October now and Ukraine is kicking the shite out of Russia
There's a lot of pro-Russian propaganda posted here just like there is some pro-Ukrainian propaganda there.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:00 am to SlowFlowPro
I’m only upset about the billions we are spending to support this nonsense.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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Ukraine thwarts Russia?
And wittle ole ukraine is doing it by it's self.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:01 am to Vacherie Saint
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Ukraine was willing to negotiate peace with some ethnic Russian land concessions, but the west blew that up.
The US/UK blew it up because Ukraine negotiated the US/UK engaging ins security forces in Ukraine without, you know, asking us our thoughts or inputs.
That deal would put US boots on the ground in Ukraine. You OK with that?
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