re: How is the income tax legal?

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What is your issue with the 17th?

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The House of Representatives is designed by the founders to do the business of the People. The Senate was to do the business of the states.

Those two are not the same thing.

The 17th Amendment undid this very important separation of powers.

Currently that would mean 52 Republican-appointed Senators.

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1913 was a terrible year for the individual American:


Worst year in American history.

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The period from 1911 through 2024 was the most monumental decade (or so) for the world. Two Russian revolutions, a world war noted for its senseless brutalitym theft of tax money from millions of Americans to come and the beginning of a period of genocides and political upheaval; and the legitimization of the Hegelian and marxian dialectics and permenant chaos through perpetual revolution..

..leading to the world wars, nuclear war, the continual proxy wars ever since, unimaginably more genocides in stunning numbers, the MIC subterfuge theft of freedoms and death around the world...

I vote for a complete end to the era beginning then

It’s because we spend $880B a year on the military. $10k to Raytheon so they can buy a $10 fuel pump on eBay.

McCarthy & Brandon are raising our military spending next year, FYI, at the expense of social security or Medicare or whatever.

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how is that more constitutional than income taxes?

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Runaway spending notwithstanding, there has to be a means for funding the federal government.

A consumption tax that replaces embedded corporate income taxes which are stacked up along the distribution chain and ultimately paid for by the retail consumer on new goods is shared across ALL consumers within the confines of the United States, citizen or illegal, just happens to be the smartest way to go about it.

Those embedded corporate income taxes currently comprise about 21-23% of what you pay at the cash register right now.

Let's say the retail price of a can of soup is $2. You pay for that can of soup from your sickeningly-named "take home pay".

Approximately $0.40 of that soup is embedded corporate income taxes which are collected at the point of sale. Under the National Retail Sales Tax, you would still pay the same $2 at the register - only you'd be doing it with your entire paycheck. No withholding for FICA, etc. So would the illegal behind you in line.

If you've got a way for the federal government to get the money it needs to live off of that doesn't involve some manner of taxation/tariffs, I'm all for hearing it. There is a degree of necessary evils that must be considered, even if federal spending were slashed to the bone just to get down to the basic, essential functions prescribed in the Constitution.

The thought of an income tax was so onerous, so reprehensible a concept to the Founders that it took a constitutional amendment just to legalize the process.

Folks drunk on power and addicted to runaway spending whose hands are on the levers of government are happy to embrace the 16th Amendment and the prima nocte rights it grants the Treasury with your earnings, but refuse to acknowledge that 80% of the spending they're saying has to happen would be wiped away by the 10th Amendment.

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How would you know, since it’s never been implemented?

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Why would it have to be implemented in order to know?