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re: How is Russia losing this war?

Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:08 am to
Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
32966 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:08 am to
You clearly don’t know shite about the night vision, communication and navigation abilities of even the lowest level of US troops. Trying to defend the poor house Russian military is embarrassing.
Posted by SantaFe
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
7650 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:10 am to
True Ivan has all the time in the world to do this war. In fact they can keep this going for several years and peuaxtain can use this 'war' as a training exercise for his military.

But OTOH something is funky about this entire situation.
Our MSM was shrieking yesterday that we need to provide a ' no fly zone ' over Ukraine. They are trying their damnest to drag us into WW3. xiden needs to stop this kind of talk pronto.

Hannity was pretty bad last night saying that he did not support putting our boots on the ground but just about calling for everything else short of nuclear ICBMs.
He needs to shut up.

But back to the funky aspect: it almost appears that Ukraine forces are attacking their own country. They claim to have killed 13,000 russian forces but I have only seen several dead on the internet. They also claim to have shot down 70 or so russian planes. I have seen photos of one. Something is funky here.

War is bad, lots of innocent people get killed and property is destroyed , we don't want another world war, especially with nukes.

What should be going on is some serious high powered negotiations about ending this conflict, we need a high profile mediator sort of like a Kissinger type to end this craziness. And I don't see xiden* pushing this.
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
69720 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:11 am to
No they aren’t


Here’s no winners in war.

The situation out there is way worse than our perceptions are now
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
69720 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:14 am to
Something is very fishy about this and how the msm is championing Ukraine as this “winner”

Far from what’s happening
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:15 am to
The expectation for the media, Neocons and people with Ukraine avatars on Twitter was for Russia to raze Ukraine.

I don't believe that was Putin's goal. IMO his goal is to free the Donetsk region of Ukraine and allow them to become an independent state. Afterall, these people are ethnically Russian and are fighting against Ukrainians with the Russians.

In terms of Kiev, (again my opinion), I believe Putin will use Kiev as a bargaining tool. He will allow Zelensky and the Ukrainian Nazis west of the Dnieper to coexist with Russia and NATO nations as a neutral state and Putin will return Kiev back to the Nazis. I don't believe it's a good idea for NATO to allow western Ukraine to enter NATO either...they are literal Nazis...not a good fit.

What is hilarious to me is all the blue checks on twitter schilling for Ukraine and don't even realize that the people they are schilling for desire a white ethnos state, i.e., Nazis.
This post was edited on 3/16/22 at 8:21 am
Posted by CarrolltonTiger
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2005
50291 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:16 am to
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Because they aren’t really trying


Yeah they wanted this to drag out, they had no plans on a quick victory. They wanted devastating sanctions and pariah status. Putin is a genius.

He's probably going to get regime change but not the one he wanted.
Posted by alpinetiger
Salt Lake City
Member since Apr 2017
5864 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:17 am to
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It looks like it can never take over Ukraine in any true sense. The Ukrainians do not appear willing to submit to Russian rule.
That's not Putin's goal you philistine. Read the surrender demands. No NATO, de-militarize Ukraine, Donetsk & Luhansk independence, Crimea acknowledged as Russian territory. Looks like Odessa is going to the boogie-man as well since this is dragging out.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
36059 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:21 am to
I think we should wait and see in our pronouncements. Has anyone been paying attention to Russian army units in the far East and if Putin is diverting some from there ? If you bring in an extra army group from the Russian far East...approx 30K what does that do?

Think chess. This board is bigger than the one we have been watching.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:25 am to
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Think chess. This board is bigger than the one we have been watching.



Of course it is. But if Putin is not razing Ukraine with MOABs and FOABs Ukrainians are putting up a heroic fight and Putin is on the verge of losing according to Hannity and Fox News.
Posted by riccoar
Arkansas
Member since Mar 2006
4696 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:26 am to
Russia is not losing, Putin is simply being nice in his approach.

There is one goal, remove the head of the government in Kiev and replace him with someone not willing to allow the NWO to launder money and try and keep pushing NATO eastward.
Posted by Palmetto98
Where the stars are big and bright
Member since Nov 2021
2145 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:26 am to
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You clearly don’t know shite about the night vision, communication and navigation abilities of even the lowest level of US troops. Trying to defend the poor house Russian military is embarrassing.


We literally just left a spanking in Afghanistan lol
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
78295 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:30 am to
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It looks like it can never take over Ukraine in any true sense
Simply not true. They are not trying to lay waste, as others have said, they want it for their own. Far different than simply fighting to crush and destroy.
Posted by Smokeyone
Maryville Tn
Member since Jul 2016
21022 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:41 am to
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Here’s no winners in war.


Assuming you meant there’s no winners in war, what a stupid, short sighted statement.
Posted by lowspark12
nashville, tn
Member since Aug 2009
22526 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:42 am to
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You're woefully misinformed. The Russian Military uses a philosophy called Deep Battle Doctrine,


Just bc their current tactics are in line with their military doctrine doesn’t mean they’re not struggling to gain territory or defeat their enemy… there’s also the decision to go against that doctrine in the first 48 hrs and make a hard push for Kyiv with little to no sir support. It was foolish and costly in many levels.
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This doctorine focuses on having multiple fronts, cutting logistics and supply lines, deeply penetrating, separating and surrounding battalions and cutting them off. This is exactly what is taking place.

That may be the plan, but to date it doesn’t appear any Ukrainian forces are isolated…. And at some point very soon, Russia actually has to start taking and holding these large cities. Seizing these places is extremely labor intensive, and consume a ton of time and capital.
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This "war" is over and its time for Ukraine/CIA/State Department to negotiate.

The war is definitely not over… Russia has yet to take and hold any major city… and still lack full air superiority. Russians (and Ukrainians) are dying everyday.
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
25224 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:43 am to
If Ukraine was actually winning, they wouldn’t need to beg NATO to enforce a no fly zone. They’re just putting up a better resistance than expected.
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Russia doesn't have 3 million refugees...Ukraine does...
That’s more of a product of where the war is being fought, not which side is winning. If Ukrainian troops or jets started bombing or advancing on Russian border towns, Russia would be dealing with their own refugee problems. But Ukraine obviously doesn’t have the offensive capability to hit targets in Russian territory or they would’ve done it already
This post was edited on 3/16/22 at 8:44 am
Posted by SWCBonfire
South Texas
Member since Aug 2011
1411 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:53 am to
Hard to tell with all the propaganda, but Russia seems to be handily winning:

1. Sent all their conscripts and old worn out junk in view of Kiev as a diversion. Western media gleefully reports on how crappy they perform.
2. Meanwhile, Russian forces connected Crimea with Russia.
3. Water supply for Crimea is under Russian control after previously being cut off by Ukraine years ago.
4. Russian possession of Crimea and the Eastern coast cuts off a huge portion of offshore shale formations from development by the west - eliminating a potential competitor for Russian gas.
5. Seem to be grinding down against Ukrainian forces in the East, although that may or may not be the case with all the disinformation going around.

Look to see if areas for pipelines are secured by Russian troops in the future. While the Russians want defensible borders, they also have economic control goals in mind.

"Winning" for Ukraine means the west survives. Russia is taking the east up to a point they feel is defendable and maximizes the resources secured for the amount of effort required.



Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
28137 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:54 am to
?????

Shoulda known the Putin/RT fluffer s were gonna be offended.

Are you actually trying to tell me they're using precision guided weapons?

They're attaching dumb bombs to SU
jets.

I know,EVERYTHING reported from Ukraine is a complete lie (unless it obviously comes from Peskov or RT)

I believe this guy has a pretty good take and observations on what's going on Kurt Schlichter retired Colonel and combat veteran
And he's not some deep state stooge and he's also MAGA
This post was edited on 3/16/22 at 10:16 am
Posted by Statestreet
Gueydan
Member since Sep 2008
13890 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:58 am to
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They wanted devastating sanctions


Shockingly, Putin doesn't seem to mind not having McDonalds or Starbucks
Posted by lowspark12
nashville, tn
Member since Aug 2009
22526 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:58 am to
if zelensky is in power when this is all over, that would not be a “win” for Russia…. Russian may military is having success, but if their political object of regime change doesn’t happen, that would be a failure.
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33084 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:59 am to
Are they really losing?
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