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How is Fascism considered far right?
Posted on 3/15/19 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 3/15/19 at 9:43 pm
Never understood this.
The political spectrum goes
Communism
Socialism
Liberal
Democrat
Middle
Republican
Conservative
Libertarian
Fascism
Anyone notice the oddity? The scale makes sense on both sides going from the middle. The more left you go, the less individual freedom and more government control. The more right, more freedom and individual rights, less gpvernment.
Yet somehow Fascism, which is complete government control over everything is placed on the Right side.
This makes zero sense. Facism is basically the far, far left. It is after communism. This commonly shown political chart makes zero sense.
The chart should actually follow this.
Fascism
Communism
Socialism
Liberalism
Democrat
Republican
Conservative
Libertarian
Anarchist
See anarchy simply furthers the individual over state that libertarianism calls for. It should be considered the furthest right possible. Yet somehow we have been fed this nonsense that fascism is somehow a right winged philosophy.
How does this pass in a school setting? I know I heard it over and over and never really questioned it. I just can't see the logic nor reasoning in this. Maybe someone can break down how complete government control is somehow the next step from libertarianism for me.
The political spectrum goes
Communism
Socialism
Liberal
Democrat
Middle
Republican
Conservative
Libertarian
Fascism
Anyone notice the oddity? The scale makes sense on both sides going from the middle. The more left you go, the less individual freedom and more government control. The more right, more freedom and individual rights, less gpvernment.
Yet somehow Fascism, which is complete government control over everything is placed on the Right side.
This makes zero sense. Facism is basically the far, far left. It is after communism. This commonly shown political chart makes zero sense.
The chart should actually follow this.
Fascism
Communism
Socialism
Liberalism
Democrat
Republican
Conservative
Libertarian
Anarchist
See anarchy simply furthers the individual over state that libertarianism calls for. It should be considered the furthest right possible. Yet somehow we have been fed this nonsense that fascism is somehow a right winged philosophy.
How does this pass in a school setting? I know I heard it over and over and never really questioned it. I just can't see the logic nor reasoning in this. Maybe someone can break down how complete government control is somehow the next step from libertarianism for me.
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Posted on 3/15/19 at 9:45 pm to Gatorbait2008
What makes less sense is your placement of libertarian. It should be closer to the middle next to moderate.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 9:46 pm to Gatorbait2008
Communists labeled fascism as right wing. Their ideological twins, American liberals, continue with the lie.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 9:49 pm to Gatorbait2008
quote:
How is Fascism considered far right?
It has to do with the rise of fascism in Europe by far alt-right politicians seizing power which eventually led to WWII.
Wait.
Really its a word with a fabricated taboo similar to White Nationalist and Alt-Right.
This post was edited on 3/15/19 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 3/15/19 at 9:50 pm to Gatorbait2008
Because initially right and left we’re not based on individual freedoms but rather positions and government structure.
Communism is the complete destruction of all hierarchy to where everyone is equal and controlled by the state. Private property and private corporations don’t exist, only the state.
Fascism is the continued reinforcement of rigid hierarchy defined and controlled by the state. Private property and private corporations exists but only to benefit the state and some are clearly better than others.
They are two different governing structures that theoretically are very different, but in actuality result in very similar outcomes.
Communism is the complete destruction of all hierarchy to where everyone is equal and controlled by the state. Private property and private corporations don’t exist, only the state.
Fascism is the continued reinforcement of rigid hierarchy defined and controlled by the state. Private property and private corporations exists but only to benefit the state and some are clearly better than others.
They are two different governing structures that theoretically are very different, but in actuality result in very similar outcomes.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 9:56 pm to Gatorbait2008
Trying to place libertarians, fascist, Democrats and Republicans on the same simplistic, one-dimensional spectrum is much like trying to measure distance with a bathroom scale. You are simply using the wrong tool.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 10:01 pm to AggieHank86
I like the concept of that graph, I’m not sure I like the placement of several factors on it. Anarchism should be upper right quadrant. Communism lower left, fascism bottom center. You could choose, to an extent what you wanted to work on in fascist countries, it just had to be an industry approved by the government
Posted on 3/15/19 at 10:06 pm to Gatorbait2008
Fascism does really seem to belong on that scale. It’s not really an ideology, is it?
Posted on 3/15/19 at 10:09 pm to Gatorbait2008
good point
mussolini before being a fascist was a damn marxist that is left wing
also another lie by the left over time debunked here
a secret about the NAZIS
mussolini before being a fascist was a damn marxist that is left wing
also another lie by the left over time debunked here
a secret about the NAZIS
Posted on 3/15/19 at 10:10 pm to DeusVultMachina
quote:It is a fairly standard Nolan-style representation of political ideologies. Much more accurate than a one-dimensional spectrum, though it IS a bit too complex for some people (clearly such as yourself) to understand. Two whole variables. EGADS.
cute collage. Did you make that at daycare today?
This post was edited on 3/15/19 at 10:14 pm
Posted on 3/15/19 at 10:11 pm to AggieHank86
Downvote for use of Egads
Posted on 3/15/19 at 10:12 pm to AggieHank86
oh faggiehank with his hanksplaining
calling national socialism CENTRIST?
calling national socialism CENTRIST?
Posted on 3/15/19 at 10:12 pm to Gatorbait2008
Because Hitler's Nazis can't possibly be anything like the benevolent and wonderful communists, so they must be on the opposite end of the spectrum.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 10:16 pm to Gatorbait2008
It is not linear from libertarian to fascism.
Fascism enjoys a good parade, flags and Jets and tanks, same as far right egos.
Left is global and local.
Left does not equal commie.
Commie is a spiritual step.
Authoritarian commie fails because the proles and bourgiousie are not spiritual.
Fascism enjoys a good parade, flags and Jets and tanks, same as far right egos.
Left is global and local.
Left does not equal commie.
Commie is a spiritual step.
Authoritarian commie fails because the proles and bourgiousie are not spiritual.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 10:16 pm to Fat Bastard
quote:Nazis are not remotely “centrist.” They are on the authoritarian/statist fringe.
calling national socialism CENTRIST?
Clearly a Nolan chart is too complex for you. This surprises exactly no one.
This post was edited on 3/15/19 at 10:17 pm
Posted on 3/15/19 at 10:24 pm to Gatorbait2008
Mussolini was a left wing fascist that teamed up with left wing Hitler. The Nuremberg laws were copied from the left wing FDR to attack Jews the way the Democrats had written laws to attack blacks.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 10:37 pm to Gatorbait2008
It's not. Fascism was a started by Benito M., the Italian dictator. And at it's heart is the government is everything and individual freedom is nothing. Socialism. The state controls everything. Most people in this country with rightist views are very much in favor of individual freedom and want the state out of our lives as much as possible. The fact that the sky screamers yell fascism at those who don't agree with them is a sign they are intolerable of others and combine that with the state is everything and their love of one party domination then they are modern day fascists.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 11:10 pm to Gatorbait2008
The NAZI’s were socialist. That is a fact.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 11:10 pm to jimdog
How? Because the left doesn't want to be associated with Hitler. So the got their employees in the education system and the media to repeated it for decades. And now brain dead idiots believe it!
Posted on 3/15/19 at 11:36 pm to Gatorbait2008
you go so far right, it comes full circle and becomes far left.
Either way its just polarization
Either way its just polarization
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