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re: How in the ENTIRE hell can 5 states refuse to cooperate with voter fraud investigations?
Posted on 6/30/17 at 7:19 pm to Iosh
Posted on 6/30/17 at 7:19 pm to Iosh
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Don't ask them to scrape their databases and put them all in an email.
Yeah. Feds never require reports from states. This is the first one.
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Posted on 6/30/17 at 7:25 pm to HTDawg
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Because there is no voter fraud you stupid, Trump supporting hick.
Here's your chance to prove Trump and all of us hicks wrong, and publicly shame him (and all of us hicks). It is curious that you dimocratix wouldn't want to do that. It would make the 2020 election a slam dunk for y'all.
This post was edited on 6/30/17 at 7:27 pm
Posted on 6/30/17 at 7:50 pm to BamaAtl
This would probably be a good time to point out to all the Liberal Trash c ocksuckers around here that vote fraud in Minnesota gave us the abortion that is Obamacare.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 7:54 pm to MButterfly
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To the point, I believe the federal gov has a right to inspect the voter rolls if the state is going to participate in federal elections.
Well, that's kind of the funny part. The National Voters Registration Act (NVRA) will allow the federal government to force the states to hand over this data.
The NVRA was passed in 1993 under the Elections Clause of the Constitution by taking a really generous meaning of "manner" restrictions allow d by the federal government over state controlled elections. It's probably unconstitutional. However, it was passed down partisan lines by the Democrats and Clinton in 1993 in order to strengthen DNC registration numbers. It forces states to offer voter registration at DMVs, by mail, and during applications for public assistance.
Now, this extraconstitutional law will be used by the GOP to suppress DNC voter registration.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 8:03 pm to Antonio Moss
LOL. Kobach's own office in Kansas is refusing to send SS#'s. What a clown Kobach and his cronies are (and this commission).
Posted on 6/30/17 at 8:08 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:I'm glad some lawyers are chiming in, because I was getting ripped apart for questioning the legality of the request, specifically the extent of the information (voting history).
Well, that's kind of the funny part. The National Voters Registration Act (NVRA) will allow the federal government to force the states to hand over this data.
According the DOJ DOJ NVRA:
quote:So it seems to me that they can access applications and declinations, but doesn't this request (besides not being the DOJ, yet at least), go quite a bit further than the above?
Hence, States should maintain all written records related to applications to register to vote as well as declinations to register to vote. The Department of Justice can require that such records be produced for inspection and copying through a written demand, and a lawsuit to enforce such demand.
In addition, what do you think people would be saying if Obama had Biden trying to get such detailed records of voters and their history? Seems to me, any state should, not only be concerned about the privacy of their voters, but since this is not a bipartisan or non-partisan endeavor, the use of that data.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 8:08 pm to bamarep
As long as Trump is acting insane I think the states have all the right in the world to refuse to cooperate. No need to give into Trump's conspiracy theories. It's not the state's fault that Trump's ego is so fragile that he can't admit that he lost the popular vote. Personally I love Mississippi's response saying the voter fraud commission can go "jump in the Gulf of Mexico" lol
This post was edited on 6/30/17 at 8:09 pm
Posted on 6/30/17 at 8:12 pm to ShortyRob
quote:I find it disturbing the hypocrisy of many in both sides as it pertains to big government, depending on who is in power.
It's hilarious that liberals are trying to play the state's rights card.
quote:But this isn't really an investigation, where access to information often (usually) requires probable cause and a legal ruling. It's a lot like the Trump tax returns, with the partisan sides flipping.
I support individual rights but that doesn't mean I support their right to hide evidence in an investigation.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 8:24 pm to Jbird
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Not sure if it's been posted but here is the actual request.
LINK
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In addition, in order for the Commission to fully analyze vulnerabilities and issues related to voter registration and voting, I am requesting that you provide to the Commission the publiclyavailable voter roll data for Connecticut, including, if publicly available under the laws of your state, the full first and last names of all registrants, middle names or initials if available, addresses, dates of birth, political party (if recorded in your state), last four digits of social security number if available, voter history (elections voted in) from 2006 onward, active/inactive status, cancelled status, information regarding any felony convictions, information regarding voter registration in another state, information regarding military status, and overseas citizen information.
You may submit your responses electronically to ElectionIntegrityStaff@ovp.eop.gov or by utilizing the Safe Access File Exchange (“SAFE”), which is a secure FTP site the federal government uses for transferring large data files. You can access the SAFE site at LINK We would appreciate a response by July 14, 2017. Please be aware that any documents that are submitted to the full Commission will also be made available to the public. If you have any questions, please contact Commission staff at the same email address.
That part is a bit troubling, especially when you include the extra information requested.
I think they should have a plan to handle a billion voter registration records (many many duplicates) and what they want to discover before they get all of this information. Seems more likely to be used to look for illegal aliens.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 8:26 pm to Homesick Tiger
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f they don't want to get involved with national election laws and reviews, cut their funding
FIFY
Posted on 6/30/17 at 8:28 pm to ShortyRob
These particular States'rights are specifically set out in the Constitution. You might enjoy reading it sometime.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 8:31 pm to buckeye_vol
California allows access to their voter rolls for people merely doing voter trend research. This isn't some unheard of massive infringement on privacy.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 8:33 pm to IdahoTiger
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As long as Trump is acting insane
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No need to give into Trump's conspiracy theories.
LOL! So now conspiracy theories should be thrown aside (From Russia wit Love).
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It's not the state's fault that Trump's ego is so fragile that he can't admit that he lost the popular vote.
This isn't about the presidential election. Voter fraud hurts local and state level elections.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 8:33 pm to bamarep
Seems like they are doing all of the things they claimed Trump has done . But the difference is they are actually doing these things . They are refusing to release the info that shows they were possibly cheating . If they thought the voter fraud helped republicans then this would be all over the news and they would demand to get to the bottom of this .
Posted on 6/30/17 at 8:34 pm to stat19
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States Rights should be celebrated except when those right infringe on the binding ties to the Union. It's obvious they are trying to usurp the process by which federal elections are held.
ISWYD...that's gettin close to Yankee speak.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 8:35 pm to thingshavechanged
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These particular States'rights are specifically set out in the Constitution. You might enjoy reading it sometime.
The National Voters Registration Act ..... yes do read it.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 8:36 pm to bamarep
Its amazing where "state's rights" go when it comes to defending the party...
Posted on 6/30/17 at 8:37 pm to the808bass
quote:What you get publicly would never include any part of your social security number or a lot of that other stuff.
California allows access to their voter rolls for people merely doing voter trend research.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 8:38 pm to StrongSafety
A Federal committee looking into voter fraud isn't some suspension of the federalist foundation of our society. Grow up.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 8:38 pm to MButterfly
Off topic. At least understand the issue.
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