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re: How handy would Bagram Airbase be right now?
Posted on 4/4/26 at 9:46 am to Y.A. Tittle
Posted on 4/4/26 at 9:46 am to Y.A. Tittle
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Was “the deal” specifically that we would no longer be allowed any use of that air base?
I don't say this sarcastically but the deal was for us to remove 100% of our troops. There's no way that we could do that and keep the base because there would be no troops to man it.
quote:
Doesn’t the US operate and/or have use of a good number of air bases in countries we were once at war with?
Yes, with agreements from those countries for us to station our troops there. That did not exist with Afghanistan and the Taliban would never agree to that
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Posted on 4/4/26 at 9:47 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Broken record
irrelevant
quote:By holding a garrison?
continuing the war
quote:We had that for 6 months champ.
Or how can you construct an alternative reality where we keep the base without maintaining the war?
Posted on 4/4/26 at 9:47 am to NC_Tigah
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The Taliban tore up the deal. But to answer your question directly, Trump thought so.
Trump did not think we were keeping Bagram base. That was not a negotiated condition. Some of you don’t understand what complete withdrawal means.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 9:47 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
The Taliban tore up the deal.
Even within your framing, the question still remains.
quote:
Trump thought so.
Then that sounds about on the level with his decision to go to war with Iran
Posted on 4/4/26 at 9:48 am to Jbird
quote:
We had that for 6 months champ.
Pursuant to the agreement. If the agreement is off then we are at War again.
quote:
By holding a garrison?
The Taliban would have to agree to let us do that. Why would they ever do that?
Posted on 4/4/26 at 9:49 am to SquatchDawg
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To believe this, you believe that despite all of the EO’s and Trump 1.0 that Biden instantly reversed, he was somehow helpless to do anything.
The fricking melt if Biden had torn up the Doha deal & opted to not withdraw from Afghanistan…
Posted on 4/4/26 at 9:49 am to DeathByTossDive225
quote:
Trump did not think we were keeping Bagram base. That was not a negotiated condition. Some of you don’t understand what complete withdrawal means
Weird there's was an exit in that agreement Joey could have used.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 9:49 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Define "fail."
So your argument is that Trump negotiated a deal to end the war in Afghanistan and remove our troops that he knew would fail
The Taliban breeched the deal. Milley and Biden responded by running away. Trump made it crystal clear that would not have been his response.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 9:50 am to DeathByTossDive225
quote:It was in the agreement that Joey decided after the fact was turrible.
This is what I mean by revisionist history.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 9:51 am to DeathByTossDive225
quote:
Trump did not think we were keeping Bagram base. That was not a negotiated condition. Some of you don’t understand what complete withdrawal means.
This is the craziest version of art of the deal that I've ever seen.
They're literally basing their argument on revisionist history and a reconstructed future history where not only did Trump, while he was not even president, negotiate this better deal, but the Taliban would accept it without war continuing.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 9:51 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:We had an exit to then renegotiate, I am sorry Joey didn't take that chance.
The Taliban would have to agree to let us do that. Why would they ever do that?
Posted on 4/4/26 at 9:52 am to DeathByTossDive225
quote:The retard tore nearly everything else up and Dems cheered.
The fricking melt if Biden had torn up the Doha deal & opted to not withdraw from Afghanistan…
Posted on 4/4/26 at 9:52 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
Define "fail."
That's the basis of your argument, not mine
quote:
The Taliban breeched the deal. Milley and Biden responded by running away
The options were either continue the war or follow through with the agreement Trump negotiated
There is not a magical third option
Posted on 4/4/26 at 9:53 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:For the same reason Cuba gave us Guantanamo.
Why would they ever do that?
Posted on 4/4/26 at 9:53 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
revisionist history
A what if is so hard for pseudoindependentProPosted on 4/4/26 at 9:53 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:SloeBooleanPro putting in work!
There is not a magical third option
Posted on 4/4/26 at 9:54 am to SlowFlowPro
At any point after the transition of the base, which was a failure by Biden in execution 100%, did Trump make a comment that he would have maintained and resumed the war instead? He had multiple years to make this sort of statement.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 9:54 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
For the same reason Cuba gave us Guantanamo.
Cuba didn't win their war
Posted on 4/4/26 at 9:55 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Negative. It is the basis of your presumption. My presumption is there was a deal to be cut.
That's the basis of your argument, not mine
This post was edited on 4/4/26 at 9:55 am
Posted on 4/4/26 at 9:55 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
The Taliban breeched the deal. Milley and Biden responded by running away. Trump made it crystal clear that would not have been his response.
So to be fair, your vote here was to continue the war. And this is what you would’ve also argued at the time.
I also noticed you keep ignoring anytime anyone questions the choice to go around the Afghan got and negotiate with the Taliban in the first place…
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