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Posted on 4/4/26 at 9:36 am to SlowFlowPro
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But Biden can go only so far in claiming the agreement boxed him in. It had an escape clause: The U.S. could have withdrawn from the accord if Afghan peace talks failed. They did, but Biden chose to stay in it, although he delayed the complete pullout from May to September.
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Chris Miller, acting defense secretary in the final months of the Trump administration, chafed at the idea that Biden was handcuffed by the agreement.
“If he thought the deal was bad, he could have renegotiated. He had plenty of opportunity to do that if he so desired,” Miller, a top Pentagon counterterrorism official at the time the Doha deal was signed, said in an interview.
Renegotiating, though, would have been difficult. Biden would have had little leverage. He, like Trump, wanted U.S. troops out of Afghanistan. Pulling out of the agreement might have forced him to send thousands more back in.
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Stlll, Trump spoke cautiously about the deal’s prospects for success, warning of military firepower if “bad things happen.” Pompeo similarly said the U.S. was “realistic” and “restrained,” determined to avoid endless wars.
U.S. officials made clear at the time that the agreement was conditions-based and the failure of intra-Afghan peace talks to reach a negotiated settlement would have nullified the requirement to withdraw.
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One day before the Doha deal, a top aide to chief U.S. negotiator Zalmay Khalilzad said the agreement was not irreversible, and “there is no obligation for the United States to withdraw troops if the Afghan parties are unable to reach agreement or if the Taliban show bad faith” during negotiations.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 9:37 am to Adam Banks
LOL the mantra is a kill shot!
Posted on 4/4/26 at 9:37 am to Adam Banks
Continuing the war in Afghanistan is certainly a Big Brained strategy chock full of revisionist history.
This level of cope is unimaginable.
This level of cope is unimaginable.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 9:37 am to Jbird
Nobody wanted to continue the war in Afghanistan.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 9:38 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:No shite Joey?
Nobody wanted to continue the war in Afghanistan.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 9:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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He just said Biden had to follow through with Trump's deal
To which I still respond
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This is TOTAL frickING bullshite and a clear sign that you are not a serious individu
To believe this, you believe that despite all of the EO’s and Trump 1.0 that Biden instantly reversed, he was somehow helpless to do anything.
I know arguing with you is an endless endeavor, so let me be clear.
I don’t think we should’ve given up Bagram, I disagree with Trumps initial decision
Biden had full autonomy to do whatever he wanted
His execution of the withdrawal and decision to leave Bagram was totally on him
IMO, trying to force the Bagram disaster into the Trump column is a litmus test for TDS…and a tell that an individual is incapable of rational thought when Trump is involved.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 9:40 am to Jbird
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No shite Joey?
Not leaving = continuing the war. That's your argument.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 9:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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Not leaving = continuing the war. That's your argument.
You truly aren't an serious poster.Posted on 4/4/26 at 9:41 am to SquatchDawg
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I don’t think we should’ve given up Bagram, I disagree with Trumps initial decision
Biden had full autonomy to do whatever he wanted
His execution of the withdrawal and decision to leave Bagram was totally on him
Nobody wanted to continue the war in Afghanistan.
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IMO, trying to force the Bagram disaster into the Trump column
It was his agreement. You can't avoid this factual statement.
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is a litmus test for TDS…and a tell that an individual is incapable of rational thought when Trump is involved.
The irony
Accurately stating facts about Trump's deals is now TDS because it turned out to be a bad deal (but not really).
MAGA brilliance
Posted on 4/4/26 at 9:42 am to Jbird
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You truly aren't an serious poster.
You think the Taliban would just let us tear up the deal and somehow keep Bagram and say that's OK? After winning the war?
Posted on 4/4/26 at 9:42 am to Adam Banks
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MAGAs neocon turn has been amusing.
Why was Iran close to having nukes?
Posted on 4/4/26 at 9:43 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Goodness.
Trump made the deal. Why does he need to anticipate some other deal?
Have you never negotiated a deal that you knew the other party would struggle to abide? Did you not take that likelihood into account in terms of planning a next step?
Posted on 4/4/26 at 9:43 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:It's why you ignored my link.
You think the Taliban would just let us tear up the deal and somehow keep Bagram and say that's OK? After winning the war?
Posted on 4/4/26 at 9:44 am to NC_Tigah
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Have you never negotiated a deal that you knew the other party would struggle to abide? Did you not take that likelihood into account in terms of planning a next step?
So your argument is that Trump negotiated a deal to end the war in Afghanistan and remove our troops that he knew would fail, which means that he wanted to ultimately continue the war and keep our troops in Afghanistan fighting a war that we were losing?
Posted on 4/4/26 at 9:45 am to Jbird
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Don't leave?
This is what I mean by revisionist history.
I’d love to see proof anyone here making this argument was actually arguing to stay in Afghanistan …and not instead celebrating the Doga agreement with the Taliban.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 9:45 am to SlowFlowPro
Was “the deal” specifically that we would no longer be allowed any use of that air base?
Doesn’t the US operate and/or have use of a good number of air bases in countries we were once at war with?
Doesn’t the US operate and/or have use of a good number of air bases in countries we were once at war with?
Posted on 4/4/26 at 9:45 am to Jbird
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It's why you ignored my link.
I didn't. Having the legal authority to do so becomes largely irrelevant when there is no political will to follow that path.
Why do you think that the American public would accept continuing the war in Afghanistan? Or how can you construct an alternative reality where we keep the base without maintaining the war?
Posted on 4/4/26 at 9:45 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:The Taliban tore up the deal.
You think the Taliban would just let us tear up the deal and somehow keep Bagram and say that's OK?
But to answer your question directly, Trump thought so.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 9:46 am to Jbird
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there is no obligation for the United States to withdraw troops if the Afghan parties are unable to reach agreement or if the Taliban show bad faith
You’re arguing that we shouldn’t have withdrawn & that negotiating with the Taliban instead of inviting the Afghan govt to the table was dumb.
One out of two ain’t bad.
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