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re: How handy would Bagram Airbase be right now?
Posted on 4/4/26 at 7:06 am to RollingwiththeTide
Posted on 4/4/26 at 7:06 am to RollingwiththeTide
For the Russians?
It was their airbase for close to 40 years
It was their airbase for close to 40 years
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Posted on 4/4/26 at 7:12 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:There would have been no reversal on our end unless you're assuming specified conditions which were not met, would have been met.
To reverse the agreement
Posted on 4/4/26 at 7:13 am to RollingwiththeTide
Clearly would have helped bigly.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 7:14 am to RollingwiththeTide
Posted on 4/4/26 at 7:20 am to NC_Tigah
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There would have been no reversal on our end
Keeping Bagram would be a reversal
Posted on 4/4/26 at 7:21 am to SlowFlowPro
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Powerman didn't make this stupid thread or give away the base, fwiw
glad you heroes are here to support what a zealot "Biden" was for sticking to what Trump agreed to
He would never have gone against deals Trump made.
what a fricking brilliant point
Posted on 4/4/26 at 7:26 am to RollingwiththeTide
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leaving some of the best military hardware on the planet there for them to use or sell.
Remember when they tried to fly our choppers?
Posted on 4/4/26 at 7:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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There is no scenario where we peacefully keep Bagram without physical force and the same failed occupation we just engaged in for almost 2 decades.
Yea this thread is pure amnesia.
The US public had zero interest in continuing to do anything in Afghanistan. When McCain honestly answered how long our presence in Afghanistan would need to be to achieve any goal the public threw up.
You can’t win a war without winning hearts and minds. The hearts and minds being those of the American public.
Trump, thankfully, ended a war the American public had no heart or mind to continue.
Trump, idiotically, has started a war the American public has no heart or mind to fight.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 7:52 am to Riverside
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Another reason why Trump wanted to get it back. Location, location, location.
Didn't Trump's WH establish the terms of the Afghanistan exit?
Posted on 4/4/26 at 7:55 am to ned nederlander
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Yea this thread is pure amnesia.
The US public had zero interest in continuing to do anything in Afghanistan. When McCain honestly answered how long our presence in Afghanistan would need to be to achieve any goal the public threw up.
You can’t win a war without winning hearts and minds. The hearts and minds being those of the American public.
Trump, thankfully, ended a war the American public had no heart or mind to continue.
Trump, idiotically, has started a war the American public has no heart or mind to fight
People elected Trump in 2024 because they wanted to rewind back to 2019. Folks had a nostalgic recollection of how the Trump I presidency went.
I really don't understand why he's allowed himself to be surrounded by cranks and lickspittles. He had a much more competent administration the first time. Too many of these senior admin types are glorified social media grifters just looking to make a name for themselves and grab MAGA after Trump.
The impeachment attempt really triggered some of Trump's worst personality traits and we just don't have the president we thought we had based on 2017-2020.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 7:59 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:You can claim that as many times as you like. it’s simply not true. If conditions of Doha were not met, the agreement was off.
Keeping Bagram would be a reversal
Posted on 4/4/26 at 8:01 am to NC_Tigah
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You can claim that as many times as you like
It's the literal truth.
The agreement required turning it over.
Keeping it would reverse that agreement.
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If conditions of Doha were not met, the agreement was off.
Then we would have to declare war again and start the process over in Afghanistan that we started in 2001 and get stuck in another forever war.
How do you think we could have kept Bagram without doing this? If the deal was "off" the entire agreement was off
This post was edited on 4/4/26 at 8:02 am
Posted on 4/4/26 at 8:04 am to SlowFlowPro
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Then we would have to declare war again and start the process over in Afghanistan that we started in 2001 and get stuck in another forever war.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 8:10 am to Powerman
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It's well known that Biden was executing a strategy that Trump put into place which is common precedence of how presidential transitions happen. People tend to enforce agreements made by their predecessors whether they agree with them or not
This is TOTAL frickING bullshite and a clear sign that you are not a serious individual.
Bidens team completely botched the exit from Afghanistan. Full stop. It was a disaster and Trump had nothing to do with it.
Biden reversed a shitload of Trump directives day one but you believe he was totally bound by Trumps strategy just so you can blame Trump for what was obviously a total failure of the Biden administration. Do you realize how stupid this sounds?
Posted on 4/4/26 at 8:12 am to SquatchDawg
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Bidens team completely botched the exit from Afghanistan. Full stop. It was a disaster and Trump had nothing to do with it.
That is a separate discussion from giving up the base.
Which he pointed out by saying this
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The execution is certainly worthy of criticism.
Why did you leave the part out to REE dishonesty?
Posted on 4/4/26 at 8:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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That is a separate discussion from giving up the base.
The greatest statesman in a generation, Joey Biden, didn't recognize and renegotiate a bad deal.
Then watched 13 troops get slayed.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 8:17 am to DeathByTossDive225
The crazy weird part was your contention that Biden was beholden to the Doha deal.
No, I don't think in 2026 that we still would have have Bagram, but claiming that Biden was handcuffed bc of Trumps deal is disingenuous on your part.
There is this, though, but I guess we'll never really know:
LINK
No, I don't think in 2026 that we still would have have Bagram, but claiming that Biden was handcuffed bc of Trumps deal is disingenuous on your part.
There is this, though, but I guess we'll never really know:
LINK
Posted on 4/4/26 at 8:19 am to Jbird
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The greatest statesman in a generation, Joey Biden, didn't recognize and renegotiate a bad deal.
Who said it was a bad deal? Everyone praised Trump for getting us out of Afghanistan.
Nobody is defending Biden and people pointing out OP was stupid even were critical of the execution (by Biden) of getting us out).
The deal and our removal are two distinct discussions.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 8:25 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:One impacts the other Joey.
The deal and our removal are two distinct discussions.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 8:45 am to SlowFlowPro
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That is a separate discussion from giving up the base.
Which he pointed out by saying this
This the most ridiculous example of TDS that’s out there.
Should we have kept Bagram? I think so but others may disagree. Did Trump agree to leave? It appears so.
But to dismiss the whole Afghanistan debacle as a Trump failure is a complete joke. Biden alone oversaw the withdrawal and subsequent release of Bagram. Full stop. “Oh Trump agreed to…” is irrelevant to the Biden administration. We don’t know how Trump would have handled this but we definitely know it was a disaster under Biden. President Squatch would’ve said “nah, we’re keeping this since we spent so much money on it”.
The bigger point though, is that arguing that this was a Trump issue is a litmus test for serious adults discussing policy vs trolls trying desperately to tie everything to “Trump bad” and is the mirror image of the “Jesus is guiding Trump” crowd on the right.
This post was edited on 4/4/26 at 8:56 am
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