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Posted on 8/15/17 at 11:30 am to Salmon
That's lazy. It doesn't have to lead to anything besides putting confederate markers where they belong. Not a reason not to do it.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 11:31 am to EKG
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They could serve as excellent opportunities to have those conversations that folks don't like having. Something can't have power over you if you don't allow it to do so. Use them as points for dialogue and healing. Hold positive community events around them. Take students to their locations and unpack history in an authentic way. The only thing more powerful than anger and hate is total and complete apathy. Activists have imbued these pieces of stone with far more sinister meanings than they ever originally carried.
All great ideas and I don't disagree with you. But
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What is gained by their presence, other than some kind of psychological satisfaction for certain people?
All the points you listed are not tangible and not unique to a statue, save hosting community events around them which is the point of a park, not a statue.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 11:32 am to TigersHuskers
It has nothing to do with blacks
It is an excuse to whine
It is an excuse to whine
Posted on 8/15/17 at 11:33 am to mwade91383
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That's lazy.
Laziness is removing them. It's the low hanging fruit. It's the easiest thing to do.
"Out of sight, out of mind"
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It doesn't have to lead to anything besides putting confederate markers where they belong.
Where do they belong?
Posted on 8/15/17 at 11:38 am to Salmon
Museums and battlefields, just my opinion.
Not the public square, where they serve to celebrate and glorify the totally white washed confederacy.
Not the public square, where they serve to celebrate and glorify the totally white washed confederacy.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 11:39 am to mwade91383
So... How do you feel about honoring and immortalizing Julius Caesar? Alexander the Great? Ghengis khan? Nero? Several of the British kings? Damn near any and all leaders of the separatist movements that created many of the countries we know today? How about George Washington? The racist slave owner whom rebelled and founded a country built on slavery?
How do the statues of these men make you feel? Each and every one of them commited far worse atrocities, far more genocidal acts, we're extreme racist against those not like them.
Are these figures okay? If so, why are they okay?
How do the statues of these men make you feel? Each and every one of them commited far worse atrocities, far more genocidal acts, we're extreme racist against those not like them.
Are these figures okay? If so, why are they okay?
Posted on 8/15/17 at 11:40 am to mwade91383
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Museums and battlefields, just my opinion.
do you honestly believe the people that are tearing down these statues are satisfied with just moving the statues to a different setting?
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Not the public square, where they serve to celebrate and glorify the totally white washed confederacy.
so move them to public national historical sites, where the same people can celebrate and glorify them?
Posted on 8/15/17 at 11:42 am to AggieDub14
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oppressive monuments
Posted on 8/15/17 at 11:43 am to Salmon
I live in Richmond and we're taking about our very own Monument ave all the time (4 large confederate statues). Yes, it's a very real, and not at all unlikely scenario. Brought up a lot.
I suppose I can't speak for any other community.
I suppose I can't speak for any other community.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 11:44 am to TbirdSpur2010
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You are quite out of touch if you don't think that's the case.
I'm out of touch?
You think many long for the days of slavery?
You are going to be insulted by this, so I apologize ahead of time. But this is a great example of you being told something for so long that you believe it. You can't escape it.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 11:45 am to AggieDub14
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AggieDub14
I don't know how anyone could support what that group of kids did.
The only reason they did it was to make the news and put it up on twitter. They are attention whores. There could've been a civil process to removing the statues. What they did was outrageous.
And they will be charged for it as they should be.
LINK
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Posted on 8/15/17 at 11:46 am to AggieDub14
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They were built by sore losers who wanted to remind black people that they were 2nd class citizens
built by aggie fans?
Posted on 8/15/17 at 11:51 am to Salmon
Also, meuseums offer context and yo I have to seek it out. That's what all of these statues lack, and what placebo thinks doesn't exist, which is funny.
Adding plaques to the statues in RVA is also being thrown around. Not sure what that would look like or what they would say.
Adding plaques to the statues in RVA is also being thrown around. Not sure what that would look like or what they would say.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 11:54 am to mwade91383
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Adding plaques to the statues in RVA is also being thrown around. Not sure what that would look like or what they would say.
Adding plaques to explain the history behind the statues, to me, is the best and most logical solution
explain why they are there, why they should be remembered, and how we, as a society, have evolved
Posted on 8/15/17 at 11:54 am to TigersHuskers
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How does the removal of monuments help blacks? by TigersHuskers
Seriously?
It should be obvious!
If only Important Black men and women are left to study then there are only 4 or 5 names to remember for all of US History.
Ergo blacks do better in school!
Posted on 8/15/17 at 11:56 am to TigersHuskers
Makes them find something else to bitch and moan about.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 11:56 am to Salmon
Not my first choice but if it's that or nothing, I'm on board. There's a population in RVA that agrees w you for sure. As you can imagine, it's the full spectrum of opinions.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 11:58 am to TigersHuskers
Maybe they are tired of having to look up and see second place trophies created to remind black people that at one time they were property of the people who created the statue.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 12:02 pm to AggieDub14
quote:They are oppressing you?
oppressive monuments
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