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re: How do you respond to this statement: The success of China is proof that Communism works.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 7:52 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
Posted on 2/22/18 at 7:52 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
I’m not sure how successful China is.
Also, capitalist economic system ran by a government who manipulates currency to provide an edge.
Also, capitalist economic system ran by a government who manipulates currency to provide an edge.
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Posted on 2/22/18 at 7:53 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
Chinese started to see progress when they started allowing private ownership of industry.
This post was edited on 2/22/18 at 7:54 pm
Posted on 2/22/18 at 7:54 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
The success of China is proof that the limited introduction of free market concepts, combined with American hunger for cheap crap, has been great for the formerly strictly communist nation.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 7:55 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
Their success didn't take off until they employed free market principles?
Posted on 2/22/18 at 7:56 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
Communism works for the elites just like capitalism.
Also, neither exist in their pure form.
Also, neither exist in their pure form.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 7:56 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
China is not communist. Government owns the land, but that’s about it. Government owns oil companies, just like most of the world. Other than that, it’s at most an oligarchy.
As soon as Deng opened the little experiment in Shenzhen, it was all over for the idea of a command economy.
They can call themselves communist, but they are not. Leaders are not elected like ours, but they are a mixture of party apparatchiks and highly successful people recruited into government. That’s a political paradigm, though. Not an economic one.
All in all, there is an argument to be made that they are a more effective government than ours. We can preen and say our leadership is freely elected all we want, and there is some truth to that, but don’t think for a second that corruption here is less cancerous than the abuses that occur there. We can spout off freely, and there is value in that. When push comes to shove, though, most of our pontificating is tilting at windmills.
I’ve been there more times than I can count. Those are some enterprising MF-ers. Soviet Union had nothing like that.
As soon as Deng opened the little experiment in Shenzhen, it was all over for the idea of a command economy.
They can call themselves communist, but they are not. Leaders are not elected like ours, but they are a mixture of party apparatchiks and highly successful people recruited into government. That’s a political paradigm, though. Not an economic one.
All in all, there is an argument to be made that they are a more effective government than ours. We can preen and say our leadership is freely elected all we want, and there is some truth to that, but don’t think for a second that corruption here is less cancerous than the abuses that occur there. We can spout off freely, and there is value in that. When push comes to shove, though, most of our pontificating is tilting at windmills.
I’ve been there more times than I can count. Those are some enterprising MF-ers. Soviet Union had nothing like that.
This post was edited on 2/22/18 at 8:02 pm
Posted on 2/22/18 at 7:56 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
They have a 4000 year old civilization. There are over a billion of them. They are Asians who have a higher percentage of big IQs compared to westerners. Their political leadership has taken them from a bloody, backwards arse agrarian society with backyard iron smelters next to the pig stys to the second biggest economy on earth in only 50 years. However, they’ll frick up in the end ‘ cause, well, they are after all Chinese.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 7:57 pm to beachdude
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They are Asians who have a higher percentage of big IQs compared to westerners.
If I recall correctly, they have a higher average IQ, but the distribution is more concentrated in the middle than in the outliers.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 7:58 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
They think the US has a wage gap, look to China to see the extreme.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 7:58 pm to HempHead
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1) Can we safely say that China is successful, given the hard realities of a majority of its population?
Interesting. What is the majority of the Chinese population? Maybe CHINESE? Hmmmm...
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2) Can the improvements that have occurred in Chinese society be attributed to communism, or to liberalized market reforms?
Maybe a culture of people?
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3) In what ways other than nominal designation is China actually communist?
Maybe it’s populism. Interesting you hate Trump for those same things.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 7:58 pm to GumboPot
So you are suggesting that isn't a sign of a successful country?
Posted on 2/22/18 at 7:58 pm to beachdude
I should also say their lack of regard for IP rights and their state sponsored corporate espionage also helped them along. So basically slave labor and theft built the current economy. Pretty sad state of affairs for a success story.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 7:59 pm to Errerrerrwere
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Interesting. What is the majority of the Chinese population? Maybe CHINESE? Hmmmm...
China is more ethnically diverse than the United States, for the record.
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Maybe a culture of people?
What?
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Maybe it’s populism. Interesting you hate Trump for those same things.
What the frick are you talking about?
Posted on 2/22/18 at 8:00 pm to therick711
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So basically slave labor
Cheap (free or nearly free) labor built much of the Western world into the economies they are today. The timescale for China is compacted though, because of the deep issues they have about colonization.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 8:01 pm to HempHead
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China is more ethnically diverse than the United States, for the record.
Please elaborate. They have an African- Chinese population of what? They have a Muslim- Chinese population of what? What about the American- Chinese or European- Chinese populations?
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What?
It really wasn’t that hard of a question.
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What the frick are you talking about?
Well maybe it was for you.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 8:02 pm to crazy4lsu
Well, they are still using slave labor. I don't think they are justified because other nations may have had slaves at some point. To me, that comparison won't hunt.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 8:04 pm to Errerrerrwere
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Please elaborate.
There is a greater amount of distinct ethnicities living within the borders of China than there are within the United States.
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It really wasn’t that hard of a question.
"Maybe a culture of people?" as a response to an inquiry whether success is attributable to market reforms or to communism is a non-sequitur. It's not even much of a question on its own.
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Well maybe it was for you.
You stated that I hate populism (which, to an extent, I do), but also that I despise Trump, which is absolutely not the case. Are you confusing me with someone else?
Posted on 2/22/18 at 8:04 pm to HempHead
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China is more ethnically diverse than the United States, for the record.
You must be out your damn mind. Aside from the Uyghurs out west, that is a damn homogenous place. Yes, I know there is ethnic variation, but NOTHING like a stroll through New York or any other urban area here.
Have you ever been there?
Posted on 2/22/18 at 8:04 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
The only thing keeping China afloat is the good ole capitalist USA.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 8:05 pm to HempHead
Hemp head: You may be right and I probably phrased that wrong. I sure hate to be justly corrected by someone named “Hemphead”. However, since I just got back from a week in NoCal, Land of the Legal, I’ll accept the correction.
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