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re: How do you get appropriations bills that Democrats will support?
Posted on 10/5/23 at 4:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 10/5/23 at 4:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I don't think Gaetz can even do this in the GOP-controlled House.
It's my understanding they already have 4 fully passed narrowly scoped appropriation bills. They have some stuck in committee and some ready to go on the floor of the House. They were moving on these single appropriation bills until McCarthy struck a deal with the Democrats for this short term CR (with no Ukraine money) and that was the last straw for Gaetz and he pulled the motion to vacate.
Just keep passing the narrowly scoped bills. Offer up amendments. Debate and vote.
It is called legislating.
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Posted on 10/5/23 at 4:41 pm to jrodLSUke
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Sadly, the answer is that the Democrats will find 5 RINOs in the House to pass the Senate Democrat bill. So, more spending than ever before YAY.
It doesn't matter. The House controls the purse.
The only reason why GOP House members act like they are quivering in their boots is because they want to spend the money too.
75% of the House GOP ARE NOT CONSERVATIVES.
They only want to give the appearance of conservatism.
Removing CRs pulls the veil off and exposes these frauds.
THAT IS WHY THEY ARE MAD.
Narrowly scoped appropriation bills allows us to SEE them.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 4:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Not a criticism, I agree with the premise. But you're leaving out our Goebbelsesque Propagandist Press. Just as Goebbels convinced an intelligent population Nazism was wonderful, our socialistic press is playing the same role.
This is the $10T question that I've been asking since the vote and haven't received any solid resopnse.
The House is barely led by the GOP.
The Senate is firmly DEM.
The Presidency is firmly DEM.
With the press playing that role, and with critical legal theory backing it, there is unfortunately no way to have an intelligent conversation. It's all heat-of-the-moment emotional nonsense, and no way to assign appropriations or to run a country.
Appropriations bills that Democrats will support would currently be negotiated heavily on the right's land. What's mine is mine. What's yours is negotiable. I am not a fan of obstruction, but it's an obstruction moment.
This has to be done IAW with the no-holds-barred BAMN approach Dems have employed
This post was edited on 10/5/23 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 10/5/23 at 4:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The House is barely led by the GOP.
The Senate is firmly DEM.
This right here shows why you’re a disingenuous clown.
Define firmly and why is one slim margin considered barely and the other as firmly.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 5:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
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thanks for adding a talking point.
A talking point like when you posted that “suggestion” equated to “mandate?”
Posted on 10/5/23 at 5:21 pm to NC_Tigah
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But you're leaving out our Goebbelsesque Propagandist Press.
Naw. They're an institution the Left invested in and the reward of that investment is seen perfectly in this situation.
Like I said earlier, the GOP can spread the message in institutions they invested in instead (churches, suburbia, C-suite) and see which one works better in our democracy.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 5:22 pm to GumboPot
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It doesn't matter. The House controls the purse.
The House only controls the origination of the purse.
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75% of the House GOP ARE NOT CONSERVATIVES.
They only want to give the appearance of conservatism.
Removing CRs pulls the veil off and exposes these frauds.
CRs are the only option without the DEMs joining in. That's literally the entire point of this thread.
DEMs will agree to a budget. You won't like the spending. Almost all GOP reps understand this. Gaetz understands this. He knows what he wants is impossible. But, if all you're selling is virtue signaling talking points to a population who wants virtue signaling talking points, then reality isn't necessary.
This post was edited on 10/5/23 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 10/5/23 at 5:23 pm to jimmy the leg
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A talking point like when you posted that “suggestion” equated to “mandate?”
That's actually a reference. You better hope Toomers Deplorables doesn't see your comments.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 5:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Define "invested"
They're an institution the Left invested in and the reward of that investment is seen perfectly in this situation.
Like I said earlier, the GOP can spread the message in institutions they invested in
Posted on 10/5/23 at 5:53 pm to Knight of Old
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tell them you’ll throw in some under age children?…
So that has Matt Gaetz support
Posted on 10/5/23 at 6:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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any bill brought to the house by republicans before the 2024 election will be turned down if it doesnt include "student loan forgiveness" or some other pork from the dim wish list, and when the republicans decline to add it and the bill fails to pass the dims will claim victory and campaign on it and their constituents will eat that shite up.
You are right just give them what they want.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 6:30 pm to OceanMan
I didn't say that.
And no, the point is to avoid "giving them what they want".
It's doing your best to avoid their full desires, while they are in the superior positions.
When the GOP gets a strong majority in both chambers and the Presidency is the time for this sort of strategy, not when the GOP is incredibly weak. It's just marginalizing the GOP and neutering any power they have. It's likely going to lead to a DEM landslide next year, which I've yet to be told how that's a good thing for the purported goals of Gaetz (who only got this victory working with the DEMs, mind you).
And no, the point is to avoid "giving them what they want".
It's doing your best to avoid their full desires, while they are in the superior positions.
When the GOP gets a strong majority in both chambers and the Presidency is the time for this sort of strategy, not when the GOP is incredibly weak. It's just marginalizing the GOP and neutering any power they have. It's likely going to lead to a DEM landslide next year, which I've yet to be told how that's a good thing for the purported goals of Gaetz (who only got this victory working with the DEMs, mind you).
Posted on 10/5/23 at 7:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
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It's doing your best to avoid their full desires, while they are in the superior positions.
Being the gatekeeper of spending is leverage against your counterpart that’s addicted to it. How much you use it depends on how much you want to deal with the withdrawals. Or perhaps an indication of your own addiction.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 7:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
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How do you get appropriations bills that Democrats will support?
reverse psychology
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