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How did we get into this trade mess to start with?

Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:09 am
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
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Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:09 am
I understand we had to help rebuild Europe after WWII via the Marshall Program. And we helped large parts of the Far East that were also devastated by the war in the Pacific. But that was 80 years ago. There’s been plenty of trade deals made in the decades since. How is it we have ended up with such shitty trade deals with virtually every country on the planet?

Who negotiated these deals?

And more importantly, what foreign money went to them to get them to sign off on these horrid trade deals?
Posted by JiminyCricket
Member since Jun 2017
5198 posts
Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:10 am to
That's a big arse onion with a ton of layers Darth. Really it's alot of things. Incompetence, weak leadership, corruption, etc. etc.


We've just had a lot of poor leaders in DC and globalists traitors who have been willing to sell out the American people.



In short, tSwamp happened.
This post was edited on 4/10/25 at 9:11 am
Posted by sidewalkside
rent free in yo head
Member since Sep 2021
3525 posts
Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:12 am to
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80 years


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How did we get into this trade mess to start with?


There is your answer...over 80 years of bad decisions
Posted by Ping Pong
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Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:12 am to
It started with Nixon opening trade with China in the 70s. Since then, US manufacturing has steadily declined and we've become a service based economy.
Posted by SneezyBeltranIsHere
Member since Jul 2021
3780 posts
Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:18 am to
There is no trade mess.

Trade deficits are are irrelevant. We have the biggest economy. We have the most money. Of course we will spend more on goods from other countries than they will spend on ours.

Tariffs and restrictive trade measures have been proven to hurt more than they help. That is why we have the largest economy in the world without them, and countries that use them have inferior economies to ours.

Trump has been hung up on trade deficits and tariffs for decades. This entire exercise is ridiculous.
Posted by BamaScoop
Panama City Beach, Florida
Member since May 2007
55814 posts
Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:19 am to
Who paid us back for rebuilding Europe?
Posted by PT24-7
Member since Jul 2013
4531 posts
Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:20 am to
We got in this mess bc career politicians have been bought off for decades by china and other nations to sell us out.

At the end of the day it’s our fault for not holding our politicians accountable
Posted by cornerstore
Member since Jul 2024
1029 posts
Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:22 am to
Milton Friedman not considering infinite slave labor in China.
Posted by SneezyBeltranIsHere
Member since Jul 2021
3780 posts
Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:25 am to
Posted by rileytiger
Surfing The Gulf of America
Member since Feb 2007
3391 posts
Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:26 am to
It eventually got set to the standard. Nobody had the gonads to fix it. Also a lot of under the table deals. Kinda of like when the Democrats went bat shite over the USAID deal.
Posted by I20goon
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Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:28 am to
Can boil your question down to an even harder to answer question:

Of all those bad deals, how many resulted from corruption and how many resulted from ineptitude (including achieving short-term rewards without any thought towards long-term effects)?

But, to answer your question... or begin to... I think it should be cut into two time periods with the creation of the WTO being the dividing line.

I think there were some bad deals in the Marshall Plan with the idea of turning enemy markets into friendly ones.

With the WTO everything changed, especially with China. Globalists had a vehicle/mechanism outside of the US Congress. China became a "developing country" AND most favored trade nation status. Other "developing" countries also got sweetheart deals, protection globally, AND IBRD capital.
Posted by cornerstore
Member since Jul 2024
1029 posts
Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:28 am to
But Rand, China is actually taking advantage of us you mop-headed moron.
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:30 am to
Wasn’t it Bill Clinton that allowed China into the WTO as a developing nation?
Posted by JacieNY
Member since Jul 2024
611 posts
Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:33 am to
Can you educate me by citing an example of even one of these "shitty trade deals?"

You see, I'm a simple man. I don't deal in international trade except to purchase imported goods from the local Walmart.

I guess to my mind international trade involves companies purchasing things made in other countries by other companies and the things are shipped here in large metal containers.

Are these the trade deals of which you speak?

Please explain the ins and outs of these "horrid trade deals."
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
69497 posts
Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:37 am to
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There is no trade mess. Trade deficits are are irrelevant. We have the biggest economy. We have the most money. Of course we will spend more on goods from other countries than they will spend on ours. Tariffs and restrictive trade measures have been proven to hurt more than they help. That is why we have the largest economy in the world without them, and countries that use them have inferior economies to ours. Trump has been hung up on trade deficits and tariffs for decades. This entire exercise is ridiculous.


I’m sorry but this is idiotic. Just travel though any state and you’ll find the dying corpse of small town after small town that use to be thriving but are now dead.

I grew up a few miles outside of one such small town in northern Alabama. It’s called Altoona. Back in the 70s and 80s, it was thriving. Had a variety stores, doctor offices, restaurants, etc. but then in the early 1990s Liberty plant that made overalls and other Liberty brand clothes closed and production of those items was moved to China. When the Liberty plant closed, it killed Altoona. Now there’s empty building after empty building. All that’s left is a bank and a gas station.

And Altoona is just one of thousands of sad examples of the devastation wrought on small towns all across the nation. To claim all this is an exercise in ridiculousness is laughably absurd and only shows your own abject stupidity.
This post was edited on 4/10/25 at 9:39 am
Posted by lake chuck fan
westlake
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:38 am to
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And more importantly, what foreign money went to them to get them to sign off on these horrid trade deals?


Clinton allowed China into the WTO was the beginning and incentivized big corporations to begin using cheap overseas labor and export American jobs. It was good for the corporate profits but was the beginning of gutting American manufacturing and middle class American workers. Without doubt your point is correct. The big corporate lobbying to congress continued to fuel that direction.
Thankfully, we now have a leader that is putting America's middle class ahead of enriching the corporations.
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
1639 posts
Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:39 am to
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SneezyBeltranIsHere
You certainly don't lack for confidence. What have you accomplished in your life?
Posted by lake chuck fan
westlake
Member since Aug 2011
18838 posts
Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:39 am to
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Trump has been hung up on trade deficits and tariffs for decades. This entire exercise is ridiculous


Not as ridiculous as your opinion.
Posted by rltiger
Metairie
Member since Oct 2004
1425 posts
Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:40 am to
We let it happen because of feelings and guilt. When you think you are better than a group, you tend to allow bad behavior and actions by overlooking them. We allowed these countries their small victories because we think the United states is bigger, stronger and better than them and don’t want to hurt them.

Hence the shite we take in trade, the UN, NATO.

You and I both know that the EU, China, Russia, Middle Eastern countries, England, Japan, would shank us if given the chance.

Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
25910 posts
Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:45 am to
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Just travel though any state and you’ll find the dying corpse of small town after small town that use to be thriving but are now dead.


You are conflating capitalism with trade. Those small towns arent coming back, that model of capitalism has been dead for 60-75 years.

All good, Trump doesn't get it either.

This post was edited on 4/10/25 at 9:49 am
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