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re: How Can We Have a Flu Vaccine Every Year Within Weeks But No Wu Flu Vaccine for "Years"
Posted on 4/14/20 at 10:16 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 4/14/20 at 10:16 pm to OMLandshark
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No it wasn’t.
Yeah, it was fricking stupid. Don't forget you initially tried to compare it to ET.
fricking flaming liberal bitch.
Jesus Christ, your life must be so sad.
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Posted on 4/14/20 at 10:19 pm to TideSaint
Well....we have been trying to get an HIV vaccine for 30+ years and Ebola for 10+...we may never get one, actually.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 10:22 pm to TideSaint
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Yeah, it was fricking stupid. Don't forget you initially tried to compare it to ET.
Because it’s on another level. Yeah, the fact that you don’t recognize that a civilization that is 600 years more advanced than another means you fighting them is on another level. You’re a mouth breathing idiot.
There is not a single major WWI army that would stand a chance against a major WWII army, and they’re only 20 years apart, nevertheless 600 years. Let’s take it a step further and put the entire world’s military from 1945 against ours at this point. How long do you think that would last? Probably 10 minutes? You’re an idiot.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 10:33 pm to OMLandshark
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Because it’s on another level.
Based on what?
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There is not a single major WWI army that would stand a chance against a major WWII army, and they’re only 20 years apart, nevertheless 600 years. Let’s take it a step further and put the entire world’s military from 1945 against ours at this point. How long do you think that would last? Probably 10 minutes?
You said the Mongols were comparable to the annual flu season. Name one, ONE, other epidemic that kills more on an annual basis.
You can't. Henceforth, the Mongols are superior to every other faction you try to prop up you fricking idiot twat.
You gave me the Mongols as ammunition. I'm using your own stupid analogy against you and you're still not getting it.
Goddamn moron.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 10:36 pm to TideSaint
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You said the Mongols were comparable to the annual flu season.
Jesus Christ, did you manage to pass the first grade? Is your son typing for you, since you don’t seem to be literate? This quite an accomplishment, but you may just edge out Imjustafatkid as the dumbest poster on this site.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 10:36 pm to gthog61
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Each year is different.
Not too different, though.
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Would a half assed solution like the yearly shot in the dark flu vaccine be enough for the fearmongers?
Seeing as we've had attempts to make new vaccines every year, it's ignorant to pretend that their just "shots in the dark". Nothing is 100% on the mark, and some years are better than others, but by and large we've done a great job creating flu vaccines.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 10:38 pm to OMLandshark
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Jesus Christ, did you manage to pass the first grade? Is your son typing for you, since you don’t seem to be literate? This quite an accomplishment, but you may just edge out Imjustafatkid as the dumbest poster on this site.
Ah.
The old concession post.
Thanks for playing.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 10:40 pm to TideSaint
I thank you for admitting you’re as dumb as he is. Look at your vote ratio in your OP. I’m done with your idiocy.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 10:49 pm to TideSaint
if you honestly dont understand why we have a yearly flu vaccine compared to a vaccine for a novel virus then i honestly dont know what to tell you and its disappointing to me that we have grown arse adults in this country who actually think this way
Posted on 4/14/20 at 10:56 pm to TideSaint
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I'll admit I'm no virologist, but how can we mass produce a flu vaccine EVERY year within weeks of flu season yet experts are predicting we won't have a Coronavirus vaccine until possibly 2022?
You are missing a key word when describing this Coronavirus, novel. COVID 19 is a novel Coronavirus. That is, it’s the first discovery of this virus.
It does behave like an influenza virus in terms of RNA transcription inside the eukaryote cell nucleus through RNA polymerase. The the similarities kind of end there. That is because COVID 19 is new there are no existing strains to begin to develop a vaccine. We have to start from scratch with COVID 19.
Virus manufacturing companies have already started the influenza virus production for next fall. These companies will get instruction on what strains to use this summer from the FDA. The FDA makes its determination from data collected around the world. It’s a best guess.
These virus manufacturers usually guess right because they work closely with the FDA so they are already 6 months ahead of the official announcement from the FDA on what strains to make the virus from.
Once the influenza virus are grown (by chicken egg, egg cells and recombinant) the influenza virus is killed. The dead virus is then made into a vaccine where your immune system learns about the enemy through their dead corpse in your blood.
With that said the FDA accuracy rate in terms of guessing the correct strain of influenza ranges from 10% at worst to 57% at best.
Hope that sheds some light on the question.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 11:17 pm to GumboPot
i really dont want to bump this thread but i am cause the point needs to be made. if a grown arse adult truly cant see the difference between a yearly flu vaccine and a vaccine for a novel virus than we truly are fricked as a country
Posted on 4/15/20 at 8:24 am to TideSaint
its not weeks.
they use the flu thats rampant in australia as the basis.
they use the flu thats rampant in australia as the basis.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 8:27 am to TideSaint
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I'll admit I'm no virologist, but how can we mass produce a flu vaccine EVERY year within weeks of flu season yet experts are predicting we won't have a Coronavirus vaccine until possibly 2022?
You may never see a working vaccine.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 8:27 am to TideSaint
OP is an idiot
Posted on 4/15/20 at 8:29 am to OMLandshark
quote:um, we also have a long history with coronaviruses
Because we have a long history with flu. Please check your brain at the door.
hell, my can of Pledge lists coronavirus as one of the things Pledge will kill
OPs question is a fair one
Posted on 4/15/20 at 8:29 am to TideSaint
I have seen research on coronavirus from back in 2012. Should that research not help in finding answers? Just asking.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 8:32 am to OMLandshark
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Did we really not think through that him and Stalin didn’t want to do the same to us? This should have been solved by FDR at the latest.
What?
Posted on 4/15/20 at 8:35 am to dcbl
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um, we also have a long history with coronaviruses
In general yes but that does not mean you can use known coronaviruses to immunize against this new COVID 19. Attenuating or killing SARS (or MERS or any other coronavirus) and using it as a vaccine against COVID 19 won't build up antibodies against COVID 19.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 8:36 am to gthog61
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Flu vaccines have existed for years.
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Each year is different.
Would a half assed solution like the yearly shot in the dark flu vaccine be enough for the fearmongers?
absolutely correct
IIRC last year's flu vaccine was almost worthless because the flu that wound up coming in was a strand that was resistant to vaccine shot
This post was edited on 4/15/20 at 8:37 am
Posted on 4/15/20 at 8:42 am to crazy4lsu
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What?
We had no plans in place for a pandemic, which could very realistically be weaponized by a concrete enemy, but we have plans for war or nuclear disaster. The failure of the handling of this pandemic goes back many decades. We should have treated pandemics as seriously as we treat nuclear war. It’s pathetic.
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