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Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:55 am to TideSaint
Haven't read the responses to your OP so maybe someone else has posted this but I think I read that various strains of the coronavirus cause the common cold? Guess what we've never found a vaccine for?
This post was edited on 4/15/20 at 10:00 am
Posted on 4/15/20 at 10:04 am to Bass Tiger
There are 7 strains of coronavirus that infects humans. 229E was the first strain to be discovered, I think, in 1965. NL63, OC43, and HKU1 and 229E are endemic globally, but are relatively mild. The 3 other strains, SARS, MERS, and COVID, cause atypical pneumonia and higher mortality rates.
There is little incentive to develop vaccines for mild strains, and funding was cut for a SARS vaccine after the outbreak in 2004.
There is little incentive to develop vaccines for mild strains, and funding was cut for a SARS vaccine after the outbreak in 2004.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 10:16 am to TideSaint
quote:The real answer is that the tried and true method of producing a vaccine for the flu and some other viruses involve incubating a neutered or weakened version of them in chicken eggs. Unfortunately it was discovered early on that COVID-19 cannot be reproduced in chicken eggs, so we need to use a different method.
I'll admit I'm no virologist, but how can we mass produce a flu vaccine EVERY year within weeks of flu season yet experts are predicting we won't have a Coronavirus vaccine until possibly 2022?
Currently there are only 2 other approved methods (at two specific companies) for creating flu vaccines without using chicken eggs. More than likely it will have to be grown using animal / human cells which is a bit of a crap shoot right now and limited to certain cell lines because of anti abortion efforts over the last 20 years.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 10:19 am to crazy4lsu
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There are 7 strains of coronavirus that infects humans. 229E was the first strain to be discovered, I think, in 1965. NL63, OC43, and HKU1 and 229E are endemic globally, but are relatively mild. The 3 other strains, SARS, MERS, and COVID, cause atypical pneumonia and higher mortality rates. There is little incentive to develop vaccines for mild strains, and funding was cut for a SARS vaccine after the outbreak in 2004.
Believe me, if any pharmaceutical company could nail down a vaccine for the common cold caused by the various strains of the coronavirus the lines would stretch for miles to get that shot.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 11:01 am to dcbl
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IIRC last year's flu vaccine was almost worthless because the flu that wound up coming in was a strand that was resistant to vaccine shot
You don't recall correctly.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 11:04 am to waiting4saturday
quote:False
But the flu vaccine doesn’t work worth a shite anyway so....
Posted on 4/15/20 at 11:07 am to dcbl
quote:Could be wrong, but it seemed as if the OP's question carried with it an insinuation that something politically sinister was going on.
what does not make sense is you, or anyone else, ridiculing OP for asking a question
Posted on 4/15/20 at 11:08 am to Big Scrub TX
quote:quote:
But the flu vaccine doesn’t work worth a shite anyway so....
False
The effectiveness of the flu vaccine varies by season ranging from 10% to 57%. Last season's the flu vaccine was 45% effective.
I'm not arguing against the flu vaccine. The flu vaccine is generally very helpful and highly recommended. Just providing context.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 11:12 am to GumboPot
quote:Yes, I know that you know that. But it's typical of low-information voters like the OP to have an extremely facile/poor understanding of the situation.
The effectiveness of the flu vaccine varies by season ranging from 10% to 57%. Last season's the flu vaccine was 45% effective.
I'm not arguing against the flu vaccine. The flu vaccine is generally very helpful and highly recommended. Just providing context.
Question: Does our definition of "effective" include the attenuation of impact for those that contract the flu anyway?
Posted on 4/15/20 at 11:18 am to Big Scrub TX
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Does our definition of "effective" include the attenuation of impact for those that contract the flu anyway?
I don't believe so. From reading the CDC's website (you made me look it up...lol) they make this comment about effectiveness:
quote:
CDC conducts studies to measure the benefits of seasonal flu vaccination each flu season to help determine how well flu vaccines are working. These vaccine effectiveness (VE) studies regularly assess and confirm the value of flu vaccination as a public health intervention. Study results of vaccine effectiveness can vary based on study design, outcome(s) measured, population studied and the season in which the flu vaccine was studied.
BTW, I was wrong about 57% being the top end of effectiveness. I pulled that from memory. The real high number is 60% effective.
You can access the numbers here: LINK
Posted on 4/15/20 at 11:35 am to GumboPot
quote:I was hoping that's the case. It's sort of the buried lede of the whole flu vaccine story - the vaccine itself acts also as an anti-viral.
I don't believe so
It's very annoying that voters like the OP continue to believe flu vaccines are "half-assed" and "don't do shite", when in fact they are a continual miracle of modern science.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 12:05 pm to TideSaint
The CDC is run by Deep State plants since as far back as Clinton. These guys already developed a vaccine are sitting on it until after the 2020 election and will release it within days if Joe Biden is elected. Gateway Pundit had an article on it last week.
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