re: House Oversight Report Concludes Biden Was Not in Charge of White House/Autopenned Pardons

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If they conclusively prove that the Autopen pardons are invalid (which I believe will happen)

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How can that be possible? I hope it is possible, but I cannot think of how it could be done.

One way is to prove that someone fraudulently signed a pardon without Biden's knowledge. Hasn't Biden said he approved all of the pardons? If he has already said that, then that would make any proof of fraud even harder than it already is. Basically impossible.

The incapacitated argument will not fly. There would have to have been some formal move asserting the President's inability to make decisions before the pardons were signed for that to have any possible effect on the legitimacy of any decisions he made.

So what happens next?

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Biden is on record saying he was told what to do and followed his orders.

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I have never seen that.

I have seen where he asserts that he approved a set of criteria for pardons and that he autorized pardons that met that criteria. No way a Court will overturn a pardon if he is asserting that. LINK

Nah - all I could find on the pardons is what I posted.

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so it's highly unlikely that your freezing hot take will be worth it.

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the hot take would be saying someone is getting perp walked, which DOJ is oh for.

Betting lines should be way in the favor on nothing will happen

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There would have to have been some formal move asserting the President's inability to make decisions before the pardons were signed for that to have any possible effect on the legitimacy of any decisions he made.

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That's an outstanding argument in a vacuum but doesn't consider that those who the Constitution would look to do the right thing in light of the 25th Amendment aren't abject criminals and the beneficiaries of the fraud.

Everyone loves to tout the 25A in this matter but nobody has an answer for what happens when the folks who must trigger it are letting FauxTUS stay asleep at the wheel and profiting mightily as it carries on.

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Betting lines should be way in the favor on nothing will happen

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And they're right - for now.

Nothing is happening... until it does. The question is a matter of who sees the patterns as they develop to chart where this is going, and who wants to retire to the safety of the boo-bird nest so they don't have to risk being wrong?

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Eh. Biden is on record saying he was told what to do and followed his orders. He said words to this effect many times.

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The craziest thing about his presidency is the fact that he said something to this effect ALL THE TIME and we had a press that never once asked him, "well, Mr. President, who exactly is it who is telling you what to do?"

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That's an outstanding argument in a vacuum but doesn't consider that those who the Constitution would look to do the right thing in light of the 25th Amendment aren't abject criminals and the beneficiaries of the fraud.

Everyone loves to tout the 25A in this matter but nobody has an answer for what happens when the folks who must trigger it are letting FauxTUS stay asleep at the wheel and profiting mightily as it carries on.

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What other mechanism is there in invalidating presidential action due to incapacity outside of the 25th amendment?
Does any U.S. citizen have that ability? Are we going to let every leftist in America to file a lawsuit contesting Trump's competency?

I like what the House Committee did - all of this stuff needs to be put on record. I am just highly skeptical that pardons/executive orders/etc will be overturned.
But it will be interesting if someone tries to do so.

The man was on record saying that he follows other people's orders and says what other people tell him to say. I don't give a shite what he says about approving the pardons. By his own admission he just does and says what other people tell him to do and say. There's no way those executive actions can be upheld. He wasn't the chief executive. Period.

Also, can a person be held to the terms of a contract that they signed while under coercion or while intoxicated? Being mentally impaired is no different.