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Hospitals Stand to Lose Billions Under ‘Medicare for All’

Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:12 am
Posted by AUFan2015
Oneonta, Alabama
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:12 am
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For a patient’s knee replacement, Medicare will pay a hospital $17,000. The same hospital can get more than twice as much, or about $37,000, for the same surgery on a patient with private insurance.

Or take another example: One hospital would get about $4,200 from Medicare for removing someone’s gallbladder. The same hospital would get $7,400 from commercial insurers.

The yawning gap between payments to hospitals by Medicare and by private health insurers for the same medical services may prove the biggest obstacle for advocates of “Medicare for all,” a government-run system.

If Medicare for all abolished private insurance and reduced rates to Medicare levels — at least 40 percent lower, by one estimate — there would most likely be significant changes throughout the health care industry, which makes up 18 percent of the nation’s economy and is one of the nation’s largest employers.





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Some hospitals, especially struggling rural centers, would close virtually overnight, according to policy experts.

Others, they say, would try to offset the steep cuts by laying off hundreds of thousands of workers and abandoning lower-paying services like mental health.




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Dr. Adam Gaffney, the president of Physicians for a National Health Program, warned advocates of a single-payer system like Medicare for all not to seize this opportunity to extract huge savings from hospitals. “The line here can’t be and shouldn’t be soak the hospitals,” he said.


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Proponents of overhauling the nation’s health care argue that hospitals are charging too much and could lower their prices without sacrificing the quality of their care. High drug prices, surprise hospital bills and other financial burdens from the overwhelming cost of health care have caught the attention (and drawn the ire) of many in Congress, with a variety of proposals under consideration this year.

But those in favor of the most far-reaching changes, including Senator Bernie Sanders, who unveiled his latest Medicare for all plan as part of his presidential campaign, have remained largely silent on the question of how the nation’s 5,300 hospitals would be paid for patient care. If they are paid more than Medicare rates, the final price tag for the program could balloon from the already stratospheric estimate of upward of $30 trillion over a decade. Senator Sanders has not said what he thinks his plan will cost, and some proponents of Medicare for all say these plans would cost less than the current system.




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The nation’s major health insurers are sounding the alarms, and pointing to the potential impact on hospitals and doctors. David Wichmann, the chief executive of UnitedHealth Group, the giant insurer, told investors that these proposals would “destabilize the nation’s health system and limit the ability of clinicians to practice medicine at their best.”


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Hospitals could lose as much as $151 billion in annual revenues, a 16 percent decline, under Medicare for all, according to Dr. Kevin Schulman, a professor of medicine at Stanford University and one of the authors of a recent article in JAMA looking at the possible effects on hospitals.

“There’s a hospital in every congressional district,” he said. Passing a Medicare for all proposal in which hospitals are paid Medicare rates “is going to be a really hard proposition.”

Richard Anderson, the chief executive of St. Luke’s University Health Network, called the proposals “naïve.” Hospitals depend on insurers’ higher payments to deliver top-quality care because government programs pay so little, he said. 

“I have no time for all the politicians who use the health care system as a crash-test dummy for their election goals,” Mr. Anderson said.




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The American Hospital Association, an industry trade group, is starting to lobby against the Medicare for all proposals. Unlike the doctors’ groups, hospitals are not divided. “There is total unanimity,” said Tom Nickels, an executive vice president for the association.

“We agree with their intent to expand coverage to more people,” he said. “We don’t think this is the way to do it. It would have a devastating effect on hospitals and on the system over all.”


Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260293 posts
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:15 am to
The problem Progs have with health care (or anything really) is the concept of profit. They would love hospitals to lose billions. They honestly believe that money will come out of CEO salaries.
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
54207 posts
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:15 am to
And there lies the question - will the government mandate that all doctors and hospitals will have to accept this Medicare for all?
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40124 posts
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:15 am to
Until they realize how much $$$ there will be to be made by fraud and waste because there is no way medicace4all could fix medicare's fraud and waste problems.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
134860 posts
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:15 am to
We'll just tax the rich to pay hospitals!!!
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:16 am to
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40124 posts
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:16 am to
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And there lies the question - will the government mandate that all doctors and hospitals will have to accept this Medicare for all?




I am pretty sure that it is a basic principle of Bernie's plan.
Posted by airlinehwypanhandler
Airline Highway
Member since Feb 2019
2130 posts
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:22 am to
"THESE SERVICES SHOULD BE PROVIDED BECAUSE ITS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, NOT TO MAKE MONEY"
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123887 posts
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:23 am to
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Hospitals Stand to Lose Billions Under ‘Medicare for All’
The hit on hospitals will be approximately half what it will be on providers. It is a Part A vs Part B phenomenon.

The only exception in that regard is that obamacare allowed many facilities to profiteer off of physician private practices, thereby inheriting their Part B exposure. In so far as hospitals took on those costs, those which did would get hit much harder given the acquired Part B risk.
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:25 am to
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will have to accept this Medicare for all?


That would probably be unconstitutional since providers don’t currently have to accept medicare/medicaid patients.

Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123887 posts
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:27 am to
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That would probably be unconstitutional since providers don’t currently have to accept medicare/medicaid patients.
If CMS is the only payer, they'd either accept it or shutter their operations.
Posted by the_watcher
Jarule's House
Member since Nov 2005
3450 posts
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:34 am to
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And there lies the question - will the government mandate that all doctors and hospitals will have to accept this Medicare for all?

This is the biggest misconception of “Medicare for all.” Please read the following. Tell your friends. Tell your family. Tell everyone

Bernie’s bill is not Medicare for all. It’s government run healthcare for all. Under his bill, all private health insurance would literally be illegal. I used the word literally correctly. It wouldn’t not be a question of if they are required to take it. It would be the only option to every person in America. It would ruin our country

Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
54207 posts
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:56 am to
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Bernie’s bill is not Medicare for all. It’s government run healthcare for all.


What do you think Medicare is exactly if not run by the government?
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57208 posts
Posted on 4/22/19 at 12:02 pm to
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Hospitals Stand to Lose Billions Under ‘Medicare for All’
Exactly what liberals want. Once we get rid of everyone with money we'll achieve utopia... like Venezuela! No more rich people. It's awesome!
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57208 posts
Posted on 4/22/19 at 12:04 pm to
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will the government mandate that all doctors and hospitals will have to accept this Medicare for all?
The (embarrasingly) failed Hillary-care required taking the government plan. And only the government plan.
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14491 posts
Posted on 4/22/19 at 12:09 pm to
Greedy doctors will just have to learn to do more with less...
Posted by Sidicous
Middle of Nowhere
Member since Aug 2015
17143 posts
Posted on 4/22/19 at 12:15 pm to
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They honestly believe that money will come out of CEO salaries.
Except, just as in Politics, the CEO's will cut heads other than their own in order to maintain their stranglehold on what they see as "rightfully theirs", their incomes.

Add in that govt. will only add layer upon layer of admin BS and nepotism/cronyism adding to employee costs while cutting funding...higher costs, less income, that flushing sound is the #1 healthcare system in the world going down the drain.
Posted by the_watcher
Jarule's House
Member since Nov 2005
3450 posts
Posted on 4/22/19 at 1:06 pm to
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What do you think Medicare is exactly if not run by the government?

I work in healthcare administration. I’m literally posting this from a hospital. I know what fricking Medicare is.

The point going over your head, is that Medicare operates in a system that currently allows private insurance. That’s the reason Medicare can succeed in the first place. In a system where Medicare is the only allowable legal health insurance, it isn’t Medicare. It’s government run healthcare where hospitals and providers aren’t subsidizing Medicare/Medicaid patients anymore.
Posted by Smart Post
Member since Feb 2018
3539 posts
Posted on 4/22/19 at 1:12 pm to
This reasoning won't stop Nurse Kaileigh at Suburban Heights Hospital from voting for Bernie.

Sadly, we're going to have to hit bottom for things to change.
Posted by deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
7570 posts
Posted on 4/22/19 at 1:27 pm to
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Bernie’s bill is not Medicare for all. It’s government run healthcare for all.


What do you think Medicare is exactly if not run by the government?


Wow, the ignorance in this post is one of the reasons this crazy policy is even being discussed.

Medicare is part of our healthcare system at present. But, a major portion of reimbursement comes from private insurance companies at fees that allow providers to have a profit and to be successful. Government is not running healthcare.

Under Bernie's proposal, government would take over and private insurance would be eliminated. Reimbursements would be cut dramatically and the destruction of healthcare as we know it will commence.
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