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re: Honest question: what is the explanation of the ballistics with Charlie?

Posted on 10/4/25 at 3:16 pm to
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139026 posts
Posted on 10/4/25 at 3:16 pm to
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Hell - a buckshot pellet hitting where that thing hit would have been a through and through wound.
My suspicion based on a number of factors is it hit a vertebral body
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
38422 posts
Posted on 10/4/25 at 3:32 pm to
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My suspicion based on a number of factors is it hit a vertebral body
Only possibility with no exit and no deflection upward.
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
38029 posts
Posted on 10/4/25 at 3:33 pm to
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UtahCajun

You've some impeccable ballistic knowledge.

I'm not there yet, but I'll get there. I'm in the process of building out a DMR (7MM mag is my personal choice here) and I've got an uncle who has been reloading for decades and he's going to show me the ropes of reloading. His reloads are so precise that he's grouping sub-1.5" at 400 yards. That's fairly impressive by marksman standards, but I'm a pistol guy and always have been, so I'll be thrilled if I can come anywhere close to that.

Now, you put me in CQB with a Glock 21 or SIG P226, and I'm extremely judicious and proficient. Just gotta get more well rounded with longer range firearms. Not looking to make 800-1000 yard shots like those muley baws up in the Badlands, but if I can get fairly confident out to 500 I'll feel better.
Posted by Breaux
Member since Nov 2005
4633 posts
Posted on 10/4/25 at 3:43 pm to
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3. The father and family and Tyler himself deny that he did it


Link? Not cooperating, since youve lawyered up for murder after texts admitting it, isn’t denying.
Posted by UtahCajun
Member since Jul 2021
5782 posts
Posted on 10/4/25 at 5:25 pm to
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Possible - not weapon of choice


Travelling at less than 500 fps.

Dude, that is BB gun velocity.

Posted by UtahCajun
Member since Jul 2021
5782 posts
Posted on 10/4/25 at 5:34 pm to
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7MM mag is my personal choice here


7mm is my caliber of choice. Have a 7-08 and 7 PRC currently (sold the 7Mag for the PRC). For hunting and accuracy, a 7mm is hard to beat.

Niether of the above.are home defense rounds. For that I use a custom build that started with an Aero Precision lower mated with a 12" barrel chambered in 350 Legend. The Legend is more effective at all ranges as compared to a 300BLK.

Pistol has to be a 10mm. If it hits center mass, whatever two leg got hit, goes down. Can even load it with heavy hard cast. Something like a 220gr and it will be acceptable, not preferred, but acceptable brown bear defense.
Posted by finkle
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2016
78 posts
Posted on 10/4/25 at 5:49 pm to
The 7mm is a great choice, but you don't need that belted magnum... Bolt or Semi? almost has to be a bolt??? If this is going to be a packing/hunting rifle, you'll appreciate a short action over that magnum, for weight and handling...

About the 06, I've reloaded and hunted since the late 80s, .22 hornet up to .35 Whelen, the most powerful I'd guess is .338 Win Mag? Have shot several dozen white tail/mullies, and witnessed thru optics(binos/scopes) several dozen more... I have a tin with 30+ recovered bullets, maybe half are mine, others from others... Factory loads Win/Fed/Rem/Hornady, reloads with Sierra gamekings, hornady core lock(?), barnes X, Noslers ballistic tips/partitions, Speer Grandslams, lots of diff bullets... unless it's a premium bullet or FMJ, if it hits bone, it's coming apart and will take the craziest paths you can dream of.

I read an article that allegedly had a picture of the "engraved" cases, it looked like markers, not engraved, in this picture. 5 cartridges in a stripper clip, like the old military ball ammo, I have some Lake City Arsenal 30-06 match ammo, looks just like it. I don't know if anyone on the outside really knows the truth, but it looks like 150-168-180 grain FMJ with brass cases, again, when I google it, just a bunch of random shite comes up.

the video, I don't care to watch them again, in my novice opin, looks like what i'd expect, the expansion, then rebound of the neck/flesh... the first reports of hitting a plate and glancing made no sense, proved out that didn't happen. I can't find anything that reliably says the bullet was recovered in body??? does anyone have a good link for the recovered bullet, cartridges, or rifle? I can picture in my head an old 96/98 mauser with an old k4 weaver?

No idea whats true? KISS



Posted by JYD
Pineville
Member since Oct 2003
8568 posts
Posted on 10/4/25 at 6:15 pm to
John Cullen from Vegas shooting fame has a theory that Charlie Kirk might have been taken out by a military drone.

Apparently an Army ‘spy’ jet that took off from El Paso, TX the day of the shooting en route to Kalispell, MT. Three hours before CK was shot as the plane flew over Utah Lake, which is near UVU it dropped down from 41,000 ft altitude down to 200 ft and slowed down to 113 knots, made a big loop and then continued to Kalispell. Then it came back and did same exact thing 30 minutes after the shooting.

His partner Jason Goodman acquired some video footage from campus which picked up some drones flying around right after CK was shot.

Not saying I believe it, but it’s a compelling theory. Would it really surprise anyone if this was a deep state hit?


Posted by Sneauxghost
Member since Sep 2020
1352 posts
Posted on 10/4/25 at 7:13 pm to
So far it’s been mostly lies. Maybe one day we know what went down.
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
143841 posts
Posted on 10/4/25 at 8:06 pm to
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People ignore all the case reports of 30 cal rounds not exiting the human body. MLK was shot in the jaw with a 30-06 and it didn't exit.


That shot was only from a 100 feet or so.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 10/4/25 at 8:07 pm to
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John Cullen from Vegas shooting fame has a theory that Charlie Kirk might have been taken out by a military drone.




The things people say for attention.
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
143841 posts
Posted on 10/4/25 at 8:10 pm to
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a buckshot pellet hitting where that thing hit would have been a through and through wound.


What the hell kind of shotgun do you have that’s effective from 200 yards?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 10/4/25 at 8:13 pm to
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Pistol has to be a 10mm.


I love mine. I can carry it for bear protection or human protection.

Posted by GAFF
Georgia
Member since Aug 2010
2746 posts
Posted on 10/4/25 at 8:28 pm to
I’ve shot many deer in the neck as well. Same mixed results.
Posted by Rip Torn
Member since Mar 2020
6035 posts
Posted on 10/4/25 at 8:32 pm to
So you have shot or treated several people from .30 caliber wounds at 200 yards? Otherwise you sound like the 9/11 goofballs who claim it was a controlled demolition because the buildings collapsed too perfectly.
Posted by OLDBEACHCOMBER
Member since Jan 2004
7612 posts
Posted on 10/4/25 at 8:50 pm to


A lighter, non-bonded bullet, moving at or around 3000 fps, would do pretty much exactly what the official story says. It would create a violent entry wound, could deflect off of human bone and get trapped under the skin.[/quote]

My math says less than zero percent that could happen.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
72103 posts
Posted on 10/4/25 at 9:15 pm to
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My math says less than zero percent that could happen.


Your math is wrong.

Im not going to continue attempting to educate everybody on terminal ballistics around here but I will just say again that the official story tracks perfectly with what the video evidence shows. The man got shot in the neck with a .30-06 at relatively close range. He was dead nearly immediately, the internal trauma was catastrophic, and the bullet could have easily expended its energy without exiting.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
27194 posts
Posted on 10/4/25 at 9:15 pm to
Where the rounds handloads?
What was the weight of the bullet? 110, 165, 220?
Was this managed recoil rounds?

Until this stuff is known yall are just yapping for the sake of yapping and your conclusions are based arseumptions.
Posted by HogBalls
Member since Nov 2014
9180 posts
Posted on 10/4/25 at 11:51 pm to
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I’ve shot that round for 50 years. The results looked exactly like what I’d expect to see of a neck wound that didn’t impact bone.. That’s the explanation


So with your 50 years of shooting a 30-06, you really think a 140yd shot from a 30.06 would not exit a 5” human neck?

I just don’t see a 5” diameter soft human neck is not stopping a 30-06 from 140yds.
This post was edited on 10/4/25 at 11:56 pm
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
84749 posts
Posted on 10/5/25 at 12:02 am to
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What happened to the theory that it hit his vest first and ricocheted up?

I thought maybe the bullet hit a microphone or something
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