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re: Honest question: what is the explanation of the ballistics with Charlie?
Posted on 10/4/25 at 11:24 am to GAFF
Posted on 10/4/25 at 11:24 am to GAFF
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Shot lots of deer with a 30-06 at that range. Sometimes the bullet comes out. Sometimes it doesn’t. Never once has the bullet ever blew a deers back out when it did exit.
You need to get with modern tech. The rounds I shoot blow the tenderloin smooth out, in one piece, ready to cook.
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Posted on 10/4/25 at 11:30 am to m2pro
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3. The father and family and Tyler himself deny that he did it
They aren't talking. Which they have a right to. This doesn't mean they insist he didn't do it.
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somehow knew the layout of the campus, exactly how to get onto the perfect roof top, take a shot, and escape
I could study Google maps and street view for about 15 minutes and plot a course of action to shoot from any rooftop.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 12:07 pm to m2pro
quote:Take off the tinfoil
These are all just off the top of my head.
quote:No they don’t.
3. The father and family and Tyler himself deny that he did it
quote:Yes they are since they did
4. The ballistics for a 30-06, while plausible, are not likely for what we saw happen
quote:Probably knew someone was going to try. High possibility he had direct knowledge.
5. We had a man there trying to distract for the shooter to get away (odd)
quote:Give me a day and I could figure it out. There was plenty of time to plan it.
6. We are supposed to assume that this kid, who was not going to attend UVU, somehow knew the layout of the campus, exactly how to get onto the perfect roof top, take a shot, and escape
quote:And directly confirm he fired the shot.
7. The text messages released were very strange, objectively
quote:You have to be exceptionally stupid in particular to buy the last one. Almost as stupid to buy the first one, since if you’re arguing it’s an exit would you’d need someone in front of him hit AND the bullet not being recovered from his body.
8. We do have two separate videos that look very much worth investigating. One from a possible shooter behind Charlie from a building in a dark window where you see a puff of smoke timed perfectly for the shot. We also have a video of someone that looked like he used something from his arm in front of Charlie.
quote:Yep, unless you’re going to call the docs liars.
9. I'm not sure if we even found the bullet, did we?
quote:Thats hilarious. Record time?
10. The way they had a doctor/autopsy person certify his death, have him embalmed, and buried in record time
quote:Let’s start by not asking really stupid questions. See above for a lengthy list of yours.
Let us not tear into each other for having questions
Posted on 10/4/25 at 12:10 pm to CharlesLSU
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I know all about the 30-06 and at 200yds, I’d expect MUCH more damage.
Thoughts?
Interesting, so do you think this was the first time the perpetrators of the conspiracy approached a local emergency room doctor and coroner to go along with their plan? Or have they been following turning point around approaching doctors until they found 2 who were willing to go along with murdering an innocent person?
Thoughts?
Posted on 10/4/25 at 12:14 pm to Powerman
quote:Or these morons since the media puts it out they want to be cool like the last moron who did.
Also convenient that recently these alleged shooters are writing all sorts of messages on bullets and weapons. Seems suspicious.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 12:24 pm to m2pro
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but based off of the evidence we have been given, we can NOT, beyond a shadow of a doubt, conclude it was the same person that they're saying it was. Tyler Robinson.
Because Tyler Robinson hired big hitter attorneys and there's going to be a trial. Your not going to get the full story until the trial...... fricktards
Posted on 10/4/25 at 12:33 pm to CharlesLSU
People ignore all the case reports of 30 cal rounds not exiting the human body. MLK was shot in the jaw with a 30-06 and it didn't exit.
It depends on the round, the angle, the rifle barrel, etc. You can get a lot of different bullet weights (grains) of 30-06 round. All the way down to like 110 grain up to over 200 grain. That's just one variable.
It depends on the round, the angle, the rifle barrel, etc. You can get a lot of different bullet weights (grains) of 30-06 round. All the way down to like 110 grain up to over 200 grain. That's just one variable.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 12:37 pm to Alabama Slim
quote:Probably shouldn't make this mistake, then:
Your not going
quote:Shame.
until the trial...... fricktards
However, I have not paid much attention to the ballistics part of this since all of the memorial services started as I was more involved in that. So, the latest I saw was that the 30.06 entered the neck and the surgeon said Charlie was so "strong boned" and it deflected the bullet up into the skull, hence, no exit wound.
A 30.06 is my preferred caliber and I have been shooting the same Remington bolt for probably 35 years. I have seen the result of a few 30.06 hits in all parts of the body of deer among a few other animals. Is this surgeon sticking with the "strong bone" theory? Unless this was a very poorly done reload, a 30.06 hitting the neck, deflecting upwards would have exited the top of the head. I have no doubt.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 12:42 pm to Diamondawg
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deflected the bullet up into the skull
First time I've seen that claim. IIRC, the bullet was found under the skin in Charlle's neck
Posted on 10/4/25 at 12:59 pm to Diamondawg
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So, the latest I saw was that the 30.06 entered the neck and the surgeon said Charlie was so "strong boned" and it deflected the bullet up into the skull, hence, no exit wound.
My apologies, didn't know you have access to the coroner report.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 1:05 pm to John somers
Ok high speed
Posted on 10/4/25 at 1:07 pm to llfshoals
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Take off the tinfoil
You may criticize questions by calling people conspiracy theorists, but we will continue to have questions until they're answered sufficiently.
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No they don’t.
There is evidence to prove that they did.
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Yes they are since they did
Prove it. If you can, I'm all ears. We must use probable ballistics data since they did not show anything with the autopsy to give us any indication otherwise.
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Probably knew someone was going to try. High possibility he had direct knowledge.
Agreed.....................
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Give me a day and I could figure it out. There was plenty of time to plan it.
One day, huh? And you could pull off a good shot, escape, change clothes a couple times, and end up at the local fast food place afterwards and not speed off? He reportedly said he left the rifle wrapped in a towel that happened to be right next to a "squad car" and that he had to go back to find it to be sure they didn't recover it. Odd, right?
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And directly confirm he fired the shot.
How can you verify that these weren't fabricated? I'm all ears btw. To me, this is all about truth. I just want to know how we have authenticated these text messages. Because they all read very, very fabricated.
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Yep, unless you’re going to call the docs liars.
I think there's something to be said for the only information about the bullet coming from the doctor. Has the FBI said anything about it? Who was it from TPUSA that said he was basically superman and that his body miraculously avoided the bullet from exiting and hurting someone else? In any high profile case the first wave of information almost always changes. They said they had the shooter in the first 10 minutes... that was wrong. Reporting is reporting... and until facts are verified... we ALL should want proof, and demand it. If YOU, IIfshoals, are satisfied with what you've been told, that's cool by me. But I am here to present counter arguments because I am NOT satisfied with what we have been told.
If the bullet did not exit his body, where is it? Let me know who has stated that they've found it. Show me that evidence.
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Thats hilarious. Record time?
Given the circumstances and the gravity of this assassination, absolutely. This information should be clear as day for everyone, and no one know the forensics. There was no opportunity for a second autopsy or a verification process.
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It's in OUR best interests to ask what evidence has been released, what is still sealed from public release, how independent are the sources.... it seems like so far we are continually given interpretations rather than emperical facts and data until we have sworn testimony etc.
Has the alleged weapon been definitively tied to the suspect? Has gunshot residue (gunpowder) been found on the suspect? There's been an autopsy, but none of it is public.
Just because certain organizations have reported this to us does not prove anything. The court of public opinion is not evidence.
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Let’s start by not asking really stupid questions.
If you want to criticize me and call my questions stupid, I am fully at peace with that.
Imagine Charlie was your brother.... or son. Would you be asking none of these questions?
Posted on 10/4/25 at 1:58 pm to m2pro
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It's in OUR best interests to ask what evidence has been released, what is still sealed from public release, how independent are the sources.... it seems like so far we are continually given interpretations rather than emperical facts and data until we have sworn testimony etc.
Who the frick are YOU? No one owes YOU shite. They owe it to CK and his family to make sure the person or people responsible are convicted and put to death. He wasn't a publicly elected official.
Neither you or a bunch of youtubers monetizing people's gullibility are owed shite.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 2:08 pm to m2pro
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There is evidence to prove that they did.
Link?
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the autopsy
Have the autopsy results been released?
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How can you verify that these weren't fabricated?
Perhaps the murderer's admission?
Posted on 10/4/25 at 2:10 pm to CharlesLSU
It hit his neck, not his chest.
It killed him instantly. What do you want?
It killed him instantly. What do you want?
Posted on 10/4/25 at 2:21 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:Maybe I assumed when he said it didn't exit but stopping in the neck is more unbelieved than being deflecting up into the skull but either way, not exiting. Not sure what kind of doctor you are but surely you have seen some GSWs. Hell - a buckshot pellet hitting where that thing hit would have been a through and through wound.
First time I've seen that claim. IIRC, the bullet was found under the skin in Charlle's neck
This post was edited on 10/4/25 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 10/4/25 at 2:46 pm to Diamondawg
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Hell - a buckshot pellet hitting where that thing hit would have been a through and through wound
At 200 yards? Damn!
Posted on 10/4/25 at 3:04 pm to UtahCajun
Posted on 10/4/25 at 3:14 pm to m2pro
quote:You keep inventing new ones, so there is no such thing as sufficiently answered.
You may criticize questions by calling people conspiracy theorists, but we will continue to have questions until they're answered sufficiently
quote:Except there isn’t. Unless you’re going to now try and say his family didn’t turn him in
There is evidence to prove that they did.
quote:If you won’t believe the autopsy there’s no sufficient proof.
Prove it. If you can,
quote:I’d come up with a better one
One day, huh? And you could pull off a good shot, escape,
quote:Its incumbent upon you to prove otherwise. Their existence is their verification absent your proof they are not.
How can you verify that these weren't fabricated?
quote:Facts, logic, reason. You should try using that for a change.
YOU, IIfshoals, are satisfied with what you've been told, that's cool by me. But I am here to present counter arguments because I am NOT satisfied with what we have been told.
Shot from behind defies facts, logic and reason. Palm gun defies facts logic and reason. Shot from the location reported fits facts, logic and reason.
quote:Ask the ER people and the coroner since you didn’t believe them the first time.
If the bullet did not exit his body, where is it?
quote:No it isn’t. You should try remembering there’s a trial to be had. You seem determined to not want one by trying in the court of public opinion. Ever hear the term mistrial?
The court of public opinion is not evidence.
quote:Since they’re stupid questions no, I would not.
Imagine Charlie was your brother.... or son. Would you be asking none of these questions?
Posted on 10/4/25 at 3:16 pm to ChineseBandit58
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I do not think that thing he dropped off the roof just before jumping to the ground contained a 30-06 - even the barrel alone would have been longer than that image portrays. - maybe it was just a very poor (or manipulated) video.
I don’t think it’s a rifle, either.
It’s a crappy video, but whatever he’s carrying you can see it flexing in the middle.
Then add in there’s no surveillance video from the stairwell showing him, or anyone bringing the rifle up there.
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