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re: Homeless shitting in streets, rats spreading...
Posted on 5/27/18 at 7:30 am to CarrolltonTiger
Posted on 5/27/18 at 7:30 am to CarrolltonTiger
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Reading is fundamental.
You make a post in support of state organized homeless camps but doubt the ability to keep them there.
You're correct. Reading is fundamental. I said "I almost suggested that" until I thought about the legality of restricting movement. I considered the incarceration angle but realized we'd probably spend more money than we are now. Another reason I almost suggested it.
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Posted on 5/27/18 at 7:30 am to northshorebamaman
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Enforce laws regarding shitting in the streets, aggressive begging, abusing drugs, public intoxication, and scores of other laws on the books and you can gain legal control over where their bodies reside.
So we pay even more to incarcerate them and after they're paroled they're right back on the street? Not sure that improves our situation.
Also got the NIMBY for the prison to house all these new inmates the same as the guy who's area mobilized to prevent relocation without incarceration. If his area doesn't want the free range homeless, they don't want the homeless nature preserve either.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 7:34 am to northshorebamaman
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You're correct. Reading is fundamental. I said "I almost suggested that" until I thought about the legality of restricting movement.
You still don't get it.
And I explained there is no legality problem with restricting movement for the overwhelming majority of these people as they violate laws and ordinances daily. The state has the power if it chooses to act.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 7:40 am to CarrolltonTiger
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Enforce laws regarding shitting in the streets, aggressive begging, abusing drugs, public intoxication, and scores of other laws on the books and you can gain legal control over where their bodies reside.
Arresting your way out of homeless problems should work well.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 7:42 am to SirWinston
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Id seriously be okay with homeless people being euthanized.
call it a 'retroactive abortion' and you will get support from the left
Posted on 5/27/18 at 7:42 am to CarrolltonTiger
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You still don't get it.
All right man. Your argument is built on me supporting homeless camps when I very clearly did not. If I told you that I almost climbed Mt Everest would you think I climbed Mt Everest? If I told you that I was almost a Navy SEAL would you take that to mean I'm a Navy SEAL? Not sure what you're having difficulty with here.
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And I explained there is no legality problem with restricting movement for the overwhelming majority of these people as they violate laws and ordinances daily. The state has the power if it chooses to act.
I know. That power is incarcerating them. Is incarcerating the homeless your cost effective solution? Because there's a few holes in that plan.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 7:43 am to starsandstripes
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"if you're homeless you're crazy" or that it's reasonable to assume you're crazy if homeless.
That's not a reasonable assumption? What is the rate of crazy within the homeless, 90%?
Posted on 5/27/18 at 7:44 am to NoSaint
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Arresting your way out of homeless problems should work well.
Beating them works.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 7:44 am to NoSaint
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Arresting your way out of homeless problems should work well.
Have you read the thread?
The point was we can legally put them in programs not just jails, based upon their behavior.
I personally doubt many of the homeless can be or have a desire to be helped but I wasn't suggesting more jails, I was clearly stating the courts can put them into programs that someone thinks would do something to help their situation.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 7:44 am to NoSaint
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Arresting your way out of homeless problems should work well.
No, it wont. Bringing back asylums would help, though. I don't have exact stats in front of me, but I would estimate that 90% of homeless people are mentally ill (schizophrenia mainly). They are mostly people who's families have given up on them and set them loose. It's a chronic condition that can't be fixed and turning them loose on the streets is good for no one, including them.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 7:45 am to starsandstripes
quote:No, not really. Many were self sustaining communities where the patients worked the institution's large farm or engaged in other jobs on the campus. Some had weekly newsletters that reported on events like on grounds softball leagues and births to relatives of those housed there.
Asylums were torture chambers.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 7:45 am to CarrolltonTiger
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I was clearly stating the courts can put them into programs that someone thinks would do something to help their situation.
I agree here but you weren't clear at all.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 7:47 am to CarrolltonTiger
I'm just jumping in to say we spend more taxpayer's dollars to reform criminals than we do the homeless. Something isn't quite right with that picture imo.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 7:48 am to Lsujacket66
As I understand it, today's drugs alter brain chemistry/function in ways that are essentially irreversible and virtually impossible for weak-minded folks to overcome. I have no idea how a compassionate, practical and successful solution can be implemented. 
Posted on 5/27/18 at 7:49 am to Stingray
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What is the rate of crazy within the homeless, 90%?
Depends on how "crazy" is defined and it does change definitions often. In the 1970's homosexuality was listed as crazy, just a few years ago transsexual was listed.
The more DemProgFilth go weird and Left, the more crazy is redefined as normal. Ya think it's normal for people to have pink and blue hair? To pierce and tattoo their entire bodies? To cut off and remove or add body parts?
Almost impossible to codify crazy when the definition shifts and changes on a daily basis.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 8:09 am to AUstar
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No, it wont. Bringing back asylums would help, though. I don't have exact stats in front of me, but I would estimate that 90% of homeless people are mentally ill (schizophrenia mainly). They are mostly people who's families have given up on them and set them loose. It's a chronic condition that can't be fixed and turning them loose on the streets is good for no one, including them.
The chronically homeless tend to be mentally ill, about half of the homeless population are people down on their luck or street kids. I'd put hardcore addicts in the mentally ill category myself.
Down on their luck folks tend to only be homeless for a short period of time, usually the first thing they do once they get a bit of money is put a roof over their heads.
Street kids are, for the most part, fleeing abusive situations at home. We need to find a way to house and educate them and that isn't going to be easy because they have very good reasons not to trust a parental figure.
The mentally ill (and hardcore addicts) need to be institutionalized for their own safety. Yes, some asylums were bad places. But like you said, putting people who can't take care of themselves in the best of situations on the street with no shelter, no food, and no medication is barbaric.
Put them somewhere they can get help, maybe some of them can come back from the edge. Maybe they'll have to spend their entire life in an institution. But its better for them there, and its better then having some poor, crazed, homeless person camped out on your front doorstep.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 8:20 am to Homesick Tiger
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just jumping in to say we spend more taxpayer's dollars to reform criminals than we do the homeless. Something isn't quite right with that picture imo.
To be fair, I don’t think we make much of an effort at either group... either with tax dollars or empathy. Easier to say they are terrible and can’t be salvaged.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 8:26 am to starsandstripes
You have absolutely no clue. Post less dog
Posted on 5/27/18 at 8:55 am to Lsujacket66
Are the final solution posters kidding? Being ironic? This place is a fricking minefield of inanity.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 9:03 am to northshorebamaman
Why can’t they pick apples or tomatoes at farms like the illegals do? Honest work. A paycheck. Several can combine funds and buy a travel trailer to sleep in until they get on their feet better. It’s really not that difficult to figure out. Work sets you free.
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