re: Hitler's Speeches With Subtitles... An Incredible Leader and Horrible Man.

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National Socialism had nothing in common with socialism except the name. It was pure fascism. In fact Hitler's rise to power was in part due to his opposition to socialism. This is well documented.

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What is well documented is your ignorance.

I watched Hitler's youtube speeches and I read the words coming directly from his mouth. His message is one of pure socialism/collectivism/leftism. That's documented in the youtube speeches from the OP.

Now, I grant you that, in practice, National Socialism did not end up being a purely socialist model of governance. It started out as a fairly radical left wing ideology, but, once cooperation from some traditional German industries and institutions was needed for consolidation of political power, some "non-socialist" elements were adopted.

But, getting back to your first sentence -- it is profoundly ignorant for you to think that Naziism had "had nothing in common with socialism except the name". That is totally uninformed, and to believe such nonsense, one must ignore practically every Hitler speech and Nazi party social policy.

I know that you and your Lefty brothers have always wanted people to believe that Hitler was a
Right Wing Radical, but, the NSDAP was founded as a left wing party.

But, our little debate misses the main point of Nazism, which was really neither fascism nor socialism, it was Racism. Racist hatred of Jews was the overwhelming driving force of the ideology. IMHO, Nazism's primary reason for existence was to persecute the Jews.

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Not true at all. He didn't start murdering/bullying his enemies until he was already in power. Hitler and his Nazi Party were voted into power by fair and democratic elections. The people did this because they believed in him.

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Hitler was actually appointed and in fact never won a majority in any election. There is a lot of reading you should consider.

Yep, one should read up on 'Operation Nightingale' where the Nazi's systimatically rounded up 'dissenters' and killed them.

And Hitler was NOT democratically elected. In fact he never acheived a majority of the votes in Germany.

Hitler would practice his speeches for hours on end.

Goebells orchestrated every appearance of Hitler and set him up in mythic, god-like settings much like the ancient Roman emperors.

Some say Hitlers hatred of the Jews stemmed from the fact that a Jewish nanny was present at the death of his niece with whom he had an incestous affair with. Some believed he blamed the death of his neice on that Jewish nanny and held a grudge against the Jewish people.

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Doesn't wash....Germany has a pretty diverse population. So does the UK and Canada....all 3 have strong socialistic leanings and all 3 are doing pretty well. France has an EXTREMELY diverse population and has had for longer than the United States has existed.....diversity is not the problem, it is ignorance within that diversity that leads us to believe we have less in common than we do differences.


The Netherlands and Belgium also have large diverse populations and again are pretty socialistic and doing pretty well....the problem is not diversity it is in the acceptance of that diversity....

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horse shite

They have the money to spend on socialism because we have protected their asses for 70 years.

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Hitler was actually appointed and in fact never won a majority in any election.

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His party was the strongest in Germany when Hindenburg made him Chancellor in 1933.

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A bad economy and desperation of the masses allow people like him to assume power.

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This.

If the US economy completely collapses and runaway inflation ruins everyone's life savings, the soil will be ripe for a charismatic psychopath to rise to power and unify the nation in a similar fashion. In a way, our current petty divisiveness as a nation can be viewed as a luxury in a time of relative plenty.

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They have the money to spend on socialism because we have protected their asses for 70 years.

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Also this.

Maybe it's just me, but it seems those who praise the few "successful" European socialist regimes and hold them up as a model to envy or even follow seldom reflect on the way in which the US spends vast sums to keep the peace makes this possible. Though truthfully, if we limit this argument to Scandanavia alone, the weather probably makes these countries less attractive to foreign invaders than say Western Europe so the effect of our policing the world may not benefit them quite as much as some others.

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Germany at the end of WWII was probably the most comprehensively defeated nation-state in modern times, and was kept partially alive only by the benevolence of its conquerors. Even Japan emerged with more of its pre-war elan intact.

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So if someone took Greece from its shitty state today to a power that was able to take on all of Europe, Russia, and America combined within 10 or so years, that wouldn't be an act of leadership of note?


He fricked up towards the end.

(Thankfully)


That doesn't diminish what he did.

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Excuse me if I don't subscribe to this greatness theory of yours. Hitler was the personification of evil and all its wiley ways. Greatness is/was in the men who faced death and led the way to freedom, not in those who ascribed to deceive a nation and commit atrocities.

You are misguided in your assessment.

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Nicely said. Amen

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National Socialism was a good example of how terrible leftism/socialism can be

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Stalinism would have been a better example for you as the Nazi Party was decidedly fascist, and therefore decidedly right wing.

Josef Stalin was every bit as evil as Hitler was, if not more so. He was to the left what Hitler was to the right. Both were crazed sons of bitches.

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Racist hatred of Jews was the overwhelming driving force of the ideology. IMHO, Nazism's primary reason for existence was to persecute the Jews.

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such a small part of it. he wanted people of like goals




think about ALL your immigrants...are they here for America, the freedoms, the vote/voice....or the money?

When people take without planting......then the fields lie barren. If they take from your crops, but plant theirs behind fences.....then you are left with nothing, while they mock you for letting them.

The first power of an organized people is to decided whom they considered family. This was Hitler's message IMHO....he exercised punitive measures vs just forced migration...which made him the bad guy.

Think about the USSR...another group of strangers trying to make it but pointing fingers at each other.....Red vs Blue...more pointing, each appealing to a different demographic family with there own absolutes.

We have no problems with the socialist idea of send our kids to public school in "st george" but the idea of sending your kids to public school in BTR city is "forced upon me"?

Was Hitler's Germany better than what he inherited?