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re: High Speed rail between SF and LA cancelled
Posted on 2/12/19 at 4:44 pm to tarzana
Posted on 2/12/19 at 4:44 pm to tarzana
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support Green New Deal initiatives.
Ah, so they support some of the things that are in the Green New Deal. NOT the GND in its entirety.
I'm pretty sure there are positive things in the GND, including things that most people could support in a vacuum, but that doesn't make the whole body of work anything more than punitive and ineffective fantasy.
Trying to sell that point as broad, bipartisan support for the actual bill is weak sauce.
This post was edited on 2/12/19 at 4:45 pm
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Posted on 2/12/19 at 5:10 pm to Loserman
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High Speed rails cant economically work
You can stop right there. Of all the high speed rails in the world, only like three lines are even breaking even ... they cannot exist without heavy government subsidies. Even in Europe and east Asia where rails are far more economic than in the expanses of the USA (not to mention that the USA is more attached to their personal automobiles than anywhere else in the world) high speed rails don’t make money. Those governments either pay for them as part of some dick measuring bravado, or as part of a social engineering platform.
And places like Europe don’t have near the personal property rights that we do here. So the costs here are going to make it significantly more expensive to build lines here. And the freight companies are NOT going to give up their lines to accommodate passenger lines (freight$ >> passenger$).
Until an entirely new system comes to the forefront, we need to give up on this pie in the sky idea of a substantial rail network in the US.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 5:13 pm to musick
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These were supposed to replace all airplanes in 10 years
Only idiots like ebbandflow actually believe this shite is obtainable.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 5:16 pm to musick
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Latest estimates pin the cost at $77 billion and completion in 2033
But yet we can’t get 5 billion to build a wall
Posted on 2/12/19 at 5:19 pm to musick
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These were supposed to replace all airplanes in 10 years
trying to replace modern aircraft with trains that were obsolete seven decades ago. Sofa king progressive. 
Posted on 2/12/19 at 5:19 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
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I lean right on most things but I’m a huge advocate of passenger rail. It can work in areas with high population densities or between large cities with medium distances between each other.
Look at North Carolina for example. The state-funded, Amtrak-operated service between Charlotte and Raleigh breaks even operationally. They consequently continue to invest in the service and it has boosted the economy in the areas around the line.
I like rail, too, but I think most of it is going to be obsolete (or nearly so) within thirty years.
Autonomous vehicles - or more accurately in this case, fleets of autonomous buses in smart "trains" along designated lanes - are going to effectively be the same thing probably sooner than later.
Anyone building a big HSR in the next decade is going to have a giant white whale on their hands within thirty years or so.
This post was edited on 2/12/19 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 2/12/19 at 5:21 pm to musick
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These were supposed to replace all airplanes in 10 years
I've lived in CA that whole time. I'd like to see your link or at least where you recollect it from.
The legislature was in gridlock the whole time. Only recently dem control.
Planes are for profit.
I'm.guessing the airplane companies were against it.
If you cost analysis the 30 billion is still less than paying planes after that.
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new Boeing 767-300 freighter carries a list price of $199.3 million. Even after the usual discount to list prices, a new plane likely would cost at least$100 million
one plane. Now. How about 2033?
I used to live in Marin county.
One town vetoed a free light rail paid by golden gate bridge excess because it would be noisy for the 20 owners of a condo that mill valley let be built next to the tracks.
I wrote to the governor.
He said I don't get into.local.politics.
The train from Sonoma to golden gate bridge was finally built from Sonoma to Larkspur 20 years later.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 5:21 pm to musick
Reminds me of the scene in the movie Singles when the Mayor of Seattle turns down a high speed rail proposal...and says...
"People love their cars."
Of course Seattle now has the worst traffic in the nation because unlike L.A. - it wasn't built for the traffic.
But nobody rides the rails in California. Fed Gov has had to bail out Amtrack numerous times...Amtrack doesn't even own the rails, shipping companies do, so Amtrack has to give the priority and right of way to Ag Produce trains.
And Amtrack takes about 12 hours to go from SF to L.A. due to these delays.
Rails to Trails...all the rail lines in California have been converted to trails.
"People love their cars."
Of course Seattle now has the worst traffic in the nation because unlike L.A. - it wasn't built for the traffic.
But nobody rides the rails in California. Fed Gov has had to bail out Amtrack numerous times...Amtrack doesn't even own the rails, shipping companies do, so Amtrack has to give the priority and right of way to Ag Produce trains.
And Amtrack takes about 12 hours to go from SF to L.A. due to these delays.
Rails to Trails...all the rail lines in California have been converted to trails.
This post was edited on 2/12/19 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 2/12/19 at 5:21 pm to tarzana
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The Green New Deal has widespread bipartisan support among registered voters.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 5:22 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Houston to Dallas could definitely work. 77 minute train ride
Posted on 2/12/19 at 5:25 pm to Taxing Authority
What you guys fail to realize is the rail is only a one time cost
It would only require a one year tax increase
It would only require a one year tax increase
Posted on 2/12/19 at 5:27 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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times...Amtrack doesn't even own the rails, shipping companies do, so Amtrack has to give the priority and right of way to Ag Produce trains.
And Amtrack takes about 10 hours to go from SF to L.A. due to these delays.
congress did this.
You can drive it for much less time. 8 easy with pit stops and a camera opportunity. I've been passenger in 5 hour runs.
Remember, gm and firestone bought the mini rail of Los Angeles and tore up the tracks. Now, cars rule.
This post was edited on 2/12/19 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 2/12/19 at 5:32 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:Amtrak takes about 48 hours (if it’s on time) , Houston to Austin. It has nothing to do with who owns the track. It’s because it goes through San Antonio and sits for almost 12 hours for no explicable reason other than “government efficiency”. One could literally ride a bike faster than Amtrak can get you here. It’s comical.
And Amtrack takes about 12 hours to go from SF to L.A. due to these delays.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 5:36 pm to tarzana
Yeah ok. I would love to see where the poll was taken place and how many people polled.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 5:43 pm to Taxing Authority
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Amtrak takes about 48 hours (if it’s on time) , Houston to Austin. It has nothing to do with who owns the track. It’s because it goes through San Antonio and sits for almost 12 hours for no explicable reason other than “government efficiency”. One could literally ride a bike faster than Amtrak can get you here. It’s comical.
its viscious and intentional undermining of the public to benefit car industry and oil companies.
Efficiency? What are the odds there is a payoff involved?
No one is that stupid.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 5:47 pm to CelticDog
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its viscious and intentional undermining of the public to benefit car industry and oil companies.
no. quote:0%
What are the odds there is a payoff involved?
quote:Oh, there are still some rail proponents left.
No one is that stupid.
This post was edited on 2/12/19 at 5:49 pm
Posted on 2/12/19 at 5:48 pm to CelticDog
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These were supposed to replace all airplanes in 10 years
I've lived in CA that whole time. I'd like to see your link or at least where you recollect it from.
Halfwit, the GREEN NEW DEAL has that as a pillar and that has been everywhere for a week.
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The legislature was in gridlock the whole time. Only recently dem control.
You are a liar
Since 1992 the Republicans split the assembly in 1995 and held it in 1996. They have never held the Senate since 1992. They have held one chamber for 1.5 years and that is ALL in the last TWENTY-SEVEN YEARS.
The Republicans had the governor from 92-98 and Schwarzennegger had it from 2004 to 2011. Schwarzenegger is only a halfass "Republican"
The DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN IN COMPLETE CONTROL OF EVERYTHING SINCE 2011. That is EIGHT fricking years. That is not "only recently".
When you are going to lie do it about something that cannot be looked up so easily.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 5:49 pm to CelticDog
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its viscious and intentional undermining of the public to benefit car industry and oil companies.
Efficiency? What are the odds there is a payoff involved?
No one is that stupid.
It's your contention that Exxon and GM grease the palms of Amtrak in order to make them less efficient? You should go hang out in the Q thread, brother
Posted on 2/12/19 at 5:50 pm to gthog61
quote:Sstill the evil republicans fault!!
The DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN IN COMPLETE CONTROL OF EVERYTHING SINCE 2011.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 5:58 pm to SlickRickerz
The outrageous part of this CA rail project is that they’ve already spent over $5 Billion to date on studies, etc.
How much did Trump want for the wall?
How much did Trump want for the wall?
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